Chi-Chi in the 23rd Budokai

[Fantastische Hure]

Well Roshi does call her very skilled at martial arts, but he said similar things about say Chaozu in the 22nd despite being weaker than he is. Her fight is also hard to glean anything out of since Goku was flabbergasted that this stranger knew who he was when he couldn't even remember her name and didn't strike back until he decided to one-shot her because she told him she'd reveal who she was after that.

I don't know, maybe she just came-off looking more impressive to me than to others.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think she was a total turd compared to 22nd Roshi or something like some people say but I sure can't make her relevant to anyone else in the 23rd that wasn't eliminated in the prelims

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think she was a total turd compared to 22nd Roshi or something like some people say but I sure can't make her relevant to anyone else in the 23rd that wasn't eliminated in the prelims

In-terms of coming-off as impressive, she seemed more impressive than Tao-Pai-Pai.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tao has the feat of raping Chaozu while holding back, and Goku gives some credit to Ten for one-shotting him while Kuririn says Ten's power was beyond his expectations for the feat, so regardless of his bad showing I think he's secured a place above ChiChi. Tambourine got stomped way harder than Kuririn did against Goku, but we know who's the superior there too

 

[ahill1]

Well Roshi does call her very skilled at martial arts, but he said similar things about say Chaozu in the 22nd despite being weaker than he is. Her fight is also hard to glean anything out of since Goku was flabbergasted that this stranger knew who he was when he couldn't even remember her name and didn't strike back until he decided to one-shot her because she told him she'd reveal who she was after that.

Roshi also called Chapa-o quite a master IIRC.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Tao has the feat of raping Chaozu while holding back, and Goku gives some credit to Ten for one-shotting him while Kuririn says Ten's power was beyond his expectations for the feat, so regardless of his bad showing I think he's secured a place above ChiChi. Tambourine got stomped way harder than Kuririn did against Goku, but we know who's the superior there too

I just meant in their respective big matches. Chi-Chi wasn't nearly as embarrassed as Tao was.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Well Roshi does call her very skilled at martial arts, but he said similar things about say Chaozu in the 22nd despite being weaker than he is. Her fight is also hard to glean anything out of since Goku was flabbergasted that this stranger knew who he was when he couldn't even remember her name and didn't strike back until he decided to one-shot her because she told him she'd reveal who she was after that.

Roshi seemed more impressed with Chi-Chi than Chiaotzu. The "Super Master" statement for Chiaotzu was basically Roshi saying that he's superhuman just like Goku and Krillin. Roshi's statement for Chi-Chi was there to create hype by painting her as an extremely strong fighter (hence why he mentioned her style resembling his Turtle School)... he said something similar about the Masked Fighter.

As for the fight... she nearly surprised Goku with her initial attack and was able to push him back even forcing him into the air but still caught up and fought him in the air. The move Goku used to defeat her also shocked Krillin, Yamcha, and Muten Roshi by it's sheer power (Roshi even had a hard time making sense of it) and caught Piccolo's attention (as it is a shockwave technique his Mazoku clan uses)

 

[Papasmurf]

Tao was out to kill Ten and Ten actually fought semi-seriously early on to get a feel of Tao's abilities while Goku never had the impetus to beat up Chi-Chi so I don't find the two equitable. Especially when Tao pulled a knife and tried to kill Ten with a cybernetic cannon while Chi-Chi was just mad Goku forgot who she was

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Tao was out to kill Ten and Ten actually fought semi-seriously early on to get a feel of Tao's abilities while Goku never had the impetus to beat up Chi-Chi so I don't find the two equitable. Especially when Tao pulled a knife and tried to kill Ten with a cybernetic cannon while Chi-Chi was just mad Goku forgot who she was

Tao did almost get forcefully escorted out of the ring.

 

[Papasmurf]

True, but Chi-Chi got blown out of the ring by Goku when he was fighting wayyyy below Ten's level at the time

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True, but Chi-Chi got blown out of the ring by Goku when he was fighting wayyyy below Ten's level at the time

That's true, but looking at it as an audience-member who doesn't care about who's stronger Tao getting owned I think seems quite a-bit more embarassing, but that's just my opinion.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Tao was out to kill Ten and Ten actually fought semi-seriously early on to get a feel of Tao's abilities while Goku never had the impetus to beat up Chi-Chi so I don't find the two equitable. Especially when Tao pulled a knife and tried to kill Ten with a cybernetic cannon while Chi-Chi was just mad Goku forgot who she was

True, but I don't see Tao ever being able to do the same against Tien even if he were in Chi-Chi's shoes.

Besides I don't really think she's stronger than Tao.

I don't even.

There's literally nothing in the manga to put her remotely close to any of the other Z senshi. Goku easily dodges her attacks and defeats her without landing a blow. Other than Roshi saying she's adept Chi-chi is a joke at the 23rd.

Plus if she was really that strong she'd have shown up on the scouter in the saiyan saga.

Shouldn't Chaozu have shown up on the scouter then, since he is implied to be stronger than Roshi.

You got me there.

Still Chi-chi doesn't have any statements or feats that put her in 22nd budokai/old piccolo level. She can't even follow the fights.

Old Daimao wouldn't be able to follow Weighted Goku vs. Tien (suppressed speed) either.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well Roshi does call her very skilled at martial arts, but he said similar things about say Chaozu in the 22nd despite being weaker than he is. Her fight is also hard to glean anything out of since Goku was flabbergasted that this stranger knew who he was when he couldn't even remember her name and didn't strike back until he decided to one-shot her because she told him she'd reveal who she was after that.

Roshi seemed more impressed with Chi-Chi than Chiaotzu. The "Super Master" statement for Chiaotzu was basically Roshi saying that he's superhuman just like Goku and Krillin. Roshi's statement for Chi-Chi was there to create hype by painting her as an extremely strong fighter (hence why he mentioned her style resembling his Turtle School)... he said something similar about the Masked Fighter.

As for the fight... she nearly surprised Goku with her initial attack and was able to push him back even forcing him into the air but still caught up and fought him in the air. The move Goku used to defeat her also shocked Krillin, Yamcha, and Muten Roshi by it's sheer power (Roshi even had a hard time making sense of it) and caught Piccolo's attention (as it is a shockwave technique his Mazoku clan uses)

gr9 post

u make sense

 

[ahill1]

@Papasmurf how strong do you think weighted Goku (against Chi Chi) was? At least stronger than his 22nd Budokai self, right?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well, I assume he'd have to be for Master-Roshi and everyone to be surprised at the move he pulled in the end (they saw Goku at the 22nd and knew what he was capable of).

Even-though you didn't ask.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tao was out to kill Ten and Ten actually fought semi-seriously early on to get a feel of Tao's abilities while Goku never had the impetus to beat up Chi-Chi so I don't find the two equitable. Especially when Tao pulled a knife and tried to kill Ten with a cybernetic cannon while Chi-Chi was just mad Goku forgot who she was

True, but I don't see Tao ever being able to do the same against Tien even if he were in Chi-Chi's shoes.

Besides I don't really think she's stronger than Tao.

True, I'm okay with her being about anywhere as long as it's far below Kuririn and Yamcha. I find her being stronger than Tao to be rather unfounded though, because Kuririn was impressed with Ten's one-shot feat and said he was stronger than he thought. I do think her being above the 22nd makes sense, but due to all her feats being in one match where a confused Goku dodged circles around her I can't say in good conscience she's relevant to Piccolo Daimao 1

It's also interesting she wasn't given the invitation to train for the Saiyans while Chaozu and Yaji were, though there'd be that argument that Yaji had good potential and Chaozu got stronger etc. 1

 

[Papasmurf]

@Papasmurf how strong do you think weighted Goku (against Chi Chi) was? At least stronger than his 22nd Budokai self, right?

He was already stronger than his 22nd self when he KO'd Chappa with a tap I'd say.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Papasmurf how strong do you think weighted Goku (against Chi Chi) was? At least stronger than his 22nd Budokai self, right?

He was already stronger than his 22nd self when he KO'd Chappa with a tap I'd say.

how high do u think chapa-o was at the 23 tenkaichi-budokai???

 

[Papasmurf]

Way weaker than Tao. Probably below even Yajirobe, and far below Chaozu.

 

[ahill1]

Could Goku suppressed against Chi Chi be already > post Choshinsui Goku? I find it unlikely since Tenshinhan only noted Goku to be stronger when the latter showed more of his power against him.