Controversial beliefs

[GSM123]

The boost from SSj transformations for fused characters is smaller than in unfused characters.

Out of curiosity, do you have a in universe explanation for that or is just something you believe to control the Gotenks bloat?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

The boost from SSj transformations for fused characters is smaller than in unfused characters.

Out of curiosity, do you have a in universe explanation for that or is just something you believe to control the Gotenks bloat?

Mostly it's because I think base Gotenks pre is stronger than Majin Vegeta, and yet it is never implied that SSj Gotenks is many times stronger than SSj3 Goku.

 

[Six Trails]

The boost from SSj transformations for fused characters is smaller than in unfused characters.

Out of curiosity, do you have a in universe explanation for that or is just something you believe to control the Gotenks bloat?

Mostly it's because I think base Gotenks pre is stronger than Making Vegeta, and yet it is never implied that SSj Gotenks is many times stronger than SSj3 Goku.

Making Vegeta.

 

[GSM123]

Mostly it's because I think base Gotenks pre is stronger than Making Vegeta, and yet it is never implied that SSj Gotenks is many times stronger than SSj3 Goku.

Who's making Vegeta tho

 

[Kyo]

• Goku's SSJ form at the Cell Games is as strong as it ever got.
• Vegeta's character development is poor in a number of areas in which it is usually praised.
  - You could have him act the way he does in the Saiyan Saga (ruthless without a care for his allies, Saiyan brethren included) and also have him show sorrow for his race's disposal at the hands of Freeza if you wanted, but it wasn't done that well.
  - Every time he was shown genuinely caring for his family in the main series he was always, for lack of a better word, snapped into it. He never cared for Trunks in the Cell arc, for instance, until he watched him get killed before his own eyes and it just hit him. This was good in its own right, but Vegeta developing into the caring father he supposedly is post-Boo arc is overrated. In the Boo arc again, he had 7 years to settle down which we never got to see, then sells his soul for a petty rivalry and to become ruthless again, and then pretty much goes through a similar (more muted) character arc as he did in the previous story arc again out of nowhere.
• Pui Pui is weaker than Freeza, fuck you.
• Piccolo ultimately changed for the better, but no he wasn't exactly a better father to Gohan. He kidnapped his ass and trained him (effectively enough) by tormenting and abusing him at the age of like 4. Gohan was the one who treated Piccolo well and helped change him, and while Gohan admired Piccolo he really lived the vast majority of his life without a good father figure. Not that he seemed to mind much.
• Gohan being vocally unwilling to fight Cell during the Cell Games was taking the contrast between he and the pure-blooded Saiyans too far. After he got over his nerves in the Saiyan Saga he has always been willing to fight, even if he never sought it out. Poor characterization.
• I don't actually know if this is controversial, but most potential unlocks in the series (god water, old Kai's) are very underwhelming. I didn't mind the ones on Namek as much, but those too. The Majin unlock had some substance behind it so I don't mind that one. Zenkais are in a similar boat, but I think it's sort of cool that Freeza and his men essentially beat Saiyans into becoming his undoing.
• The 23rd Budokai was a lil eh. I don't remember what people usually think of this one though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

[*]Gohan being vocally unwilling to fight Cell during the Cell Games was taking the contrast between he and the pure-blooded Saiyans too far. After he got over his nerves in the Saiyan Saga he has always been willing to fight, even if he never sought it out. Poor characterization.

Not to mention he'd already killed Freeza's scout when arriving on Namek like it was no big deal, yet somehow he doesn't wish to kill someone as evil as Cell.

[*]The 23rd Budokai was a lil eh. I don't remember what people usually think of this one though.

Most people tend to consider it a bad arc and the worst of Part 1.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Mostly it's because I think base Gotenks pre is stronger than Making Vegeta, and yet it is never implied that SSj Gotenks is many times stronger than SSj3 Goku.

Who's making Vegeta tho

 

[Void]

• Goku's SSJ form at the Cell Games is as strong as it ever got.

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  This one is different. Why?
  
  

  [*]Pui Pui is weaker than Freeza, fuck you.

  
  Buuuuuut Kaioshin wus scared!!!1!!1
  
  Also, name a time and place.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I prefer Boo arc than Cell arc

Base Gotenks is a gag character

Goku should still be the main character in the Boo arc and not Gohan

Fuck Chi Chi

Yamcha should have retired from fighting before the Androids appeared

I kinda like FnF

Broly is a cool concept

 

[GSM123]

23rd Budokai was actually a good arc.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The first half was good. When the Goku vs Piccolo Jr. fight happened thought, it just seemed drag-on too long and made the stuff that happened before that seem meaningless to an extent. Like Kuririn's growth as a martial-artist or Yamcha's, that was all thrown to the side just to show how gr9 Goku is.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

[*]Pui Pui is weaker than Freeza, fuck you.

To be fair, Freeza tier is literal fodder by the start of Android arc.

 

[SIAD]

I thought Vegeta and Future Trunks were an ASSJ in the CG.

  I thought that no fictional character had the power of Super Baby Vegeta Ohzaru and that he could destroy Megaversus in one fell swoop.

  I thought that Gohan SSJ (Vs Dabura) was just as powerful as Kid Gohan SSJ2.

  I thought that the Raditz level was 3,000 and the power of Freeza 100% was 16,000,000.

  I thought about this chain: Goku SSJ (Android) >>>> Goku SSJ (Yadart) >>>>>> Future Trunks SSJ (Debut) >>>>>> King Cold> Mecha Freezer >> Goku SSJ (Namek)> Freezer 100% (Namek)> Piccolo (Android).

  I thought Goku and Vegeta SSJ2 (Boo) were about 20x more powerful than Kid Gohan SSJ2.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think SSj2 young Gohan from the Cell-Games is the highest character in all of DragonBall.

 

[GSM123]

I think Vegeta was stronger than Kid Gohan even before the Majin charm.

 

[ahill1]

I think Vegeta was stronger than Kid Gohan even before the Majin charm.

You still think it nowadays?

 

[Void]

I think Vegeta was stronger than Kid Gohan even before the Majin charm.

How?

 

[GSM123]

You still think it nowadays?

Well the post is about current controversial beliefs, and i've seen nothing on my dreams that made me change my mind. So yes, i still think that.

Btw, i also think Vegeta lost the Majin power up. Though i'm unsure about this one.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Is there a reason why you believe Vegeta is that strong?

 

[SIAD]

I thought Vegeta and Future Trunks were an ASSJ in the CG.

  I thought that no fictional character had the power of Super Baby Vegeta Ohzaru and that he could destroy Megaversus in one fell swoop.

  I thought that Gohan SSJ (Vs Dabura) was just as powerful as Kid Gohan SSJ2.

  I thought that the Raditz level was 3,000 and the power of Freeza 100% was 16,000,000.

  I thought about this chain: Goku SSJ (Android) >>>> Goku SSJ (Yadart) >>>>>> Future Trunks SSJ (Debut) >>>>>> King Cold> Mecha Freezer >> Goku SSJ (Namek)> Freezer 100% (Namek)> Piccolo (Android).

  I thought Goku and Vegeta SSJ2 (Boo) were about 20x more powerful than Kid Gohan SSJ2.

By the way, I thought so, not for years.