Current Roshi vs Kids

[Animelover5487]

Master Roshi (Universal Survival arc) vs Goten and Trunks. Who wins?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Considering Roshi likely isn't too far behind Kuririn, who can put up a fight against Zen Exhibition Base Gohan, Roshi zero-diffs in his base form.

 

[Future Warrior]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

Never forget:

Sorbet's gun > Super-Saiyan Blue Goku.

 

[Future Warrior]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

Never forget:

Sorbet's gun > Super-Saiyan Blue Goku.

In Super Goku was in base form when he got shot, so it was at least downgraded from being a godly tier gun to being not so much above SS3 Vegetto

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

Considering how far her brother's progressed from training since the Cell Arc, I wouldn't say it's out of the question for #18 to have progressed massively from perhaps training in secret, especially when Kuririn's feats suggested that even in terms of raw power, he isn't leagues behind Base Gohan during the Zen Exhibition match, who ought to be far above the SSJ kids via scaling.

 

[Future Warrior]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

Considering how far her brother's progressed from training since the Cell Arc, I wouldn't say it's out of the question for #18 to have progressed massively from perhaps training in secret, especially when Kuririn's feats suggested that even in terms of raw power, he isn't leagues behind Base Gohan during the Zen Exhibition match, who ought to be far above the SSJ kids via scaling.

Actually they aren't even because she told #18 that she used too much power against him. It was never stated or implied she did any sort of training beyond a couple of sparring matches with Kuririn before the tournament began. There really wasn't anything that indicated Kuririn was anywhere near Gohan's strength unless you look at the fight out of context. The whole purpose of fighting Kuririn was to test his abilities in order to gauge how well he would do in the ToP. Once Kuririn told Gohan to use his full power and getting knocked back he already resorted to using strategy/skill (The Taiyoken x100 for example).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

Never forget:

Sorbet's gun > Super-Saiyan Blue Goku.

In Super Goku was in base form when he got shot, so it was at least downgraded from being a godly tier gun to being not so much above SS3 Vegetto

True, it's not as OP as the tear-gas.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Actually they aren't even because she told #18 that she used too much power against him. It was never stated or implied she did any sort of training beyond a couple of sparring matches with Kuririn before the tournament began. There really wasn't anything that indicated Kuririn was anywhere near Gohan's strength unless you look at the fight out of context. The whole purpose of fighting Kuririn was to test his abilities in order to gauge how well he would do in the ToP. Once Kuririn told Gohan to use his full power and getting knocked back he already resorted to using strategy/skill (The Taiyoken x100 for example).

The image training still presented Kuririn as capable of putting up a decent fight against Basil, who's at least on the level of Boo Arc SS2s. Even such sparring training can mean large gains by Super's logic, considering Piccolo sparring with Gohan had the former go from weaker than Base Gohan to stronger than Post-God Base Goku.

 

[Animelover5487]

It was never stated or implied she did any sort of training beyond a couple of sparring matches with Kuririn before the tournament began.

If #17 can get to God tier by beating up some poachers on an isolated island then #18 can definitely become stronger than the SSJ Kids from a few sparring matches with an actual martial arts master.

There really wasn't anything that indicated Kuririn was anywhere near Gohan's strength unless you look at the fight out of context.

Gohan couldn't casually block Kuririn's hits and even a serious kick couldn't take Kuririn down. At the least, Kuririn isn't one shot material for Base Gohan which is in line with the image battle Goku and Gohan had with Kuririn not being completly stomped by Basil.

 

[Future Warrior]

Actually they aren't even because she told #18 that she used too much power against him. It was never stated or implied she did any sort of training beyond a couple of sparring matches with Kuririn before the tournament began. There really wasn't anything that indicated Kuririn was anywhere near Gohan's strength unless you look at the fight out of context. The whole purpose of fighting Kuririn was to test his abilities in order to gauge how well he would do in the ToP. Once Kuririn told Gohan to use his full power and getting knocked back he already resorted to using strategy/skill (The Taiyoken x100 for example).

The image training still presented Kuririn as capable of putting up a decent fight against Basil, who's at least on the level of Boo Arc SS2s. Even such sparring training can mean large gains by Super's logic, considering Piccolo sparring with Gohan had the former go from weaker than Base Gohan to stronger than Post-God Base Goku.

They only had Pre-training Kuririn in mind (Or at least way weaker than he was in ep.84) when they were image training, so unless Kuririn was SS2 tier before he started to get his fighting senses back, I don't think the whole segment holds much weight (Plus Basil tanked his ki attack)

Gohan's potential is pretty much limitless at this point.

 

[GSM123]

Roshi > SSJ3 Gotenks

 

[Future Warrior]

It was never stated or implied she did any sort of training beyond a couple of sparring matches with Kuririn before the tournament began.

If #17 can get to God tier by beating up some poachers on an isolated island then #18 can definitely become stronger than the SSJ Kids from a few sparring matches with an actual martial arts master.

There really wasn't anything that indicated Kuririn was anywhere near Gohan's strength unless you look at the fight out of context.

Gohan couldn't casually block Kuririn's hits and even a serious kick couldn't take Kuririn down. At the least, Kuririn isn't one shot material for Base Gohan which is in line with the image battle Goku and Gohan had with Kuririn not being completly stomped by Basil.

#17 gained that kind of power through training for over a decade. #18 having a couple of sparring matches in a span of a couple of hours can only get her so far. Gohan is different cause of how much emphasize they put on his potential.

I've already countered that point about Kuririn being close to Gohan in my post so I feel I shouldn't reiterate.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

They only had Pre-training Kuririn in mind (Or at least way weaker than he was in ep.84) when they were image training, so unless Kuririn was SS2 tier before he started to get his fighting senses back, I don't think the whole segment holds much weight (Plus Basil tanked his ki attack)

Gohan's potential is pretty much limitless at this point.

It could be highly possible the Kuririn they were imagining was the one who gained his fighting senses back, as Goku was at least aware of his power, and whom may have become far stronger than before because of such. Resolve can seemingly mean as much in Super as in most Shonen now, considering resolve was all it took to make Goku become 10x stronger against Merged Zamasu.

My example was concerning Piccolo, not Gohan, so it still holds weight in regard to Kuririn.

 

[Future Warrior]

They only had Pre-training Kuririn in mind (Or at least way weaker than he was in ep.84) when they were image training, so unless Kuririn was SS2 tier before he started to get his fighting senses back, I don't think the whole segment holds much weight (Plus Basil tanked his ki attack)

Gohan's potential is pretty much limitless at this point.

It could be highly possible the Kuririn they were imagining was the one who gained his fighting senses back, as Goku was at least aware of his power, and whom may have become far stronger than before because of such. Resolve can seemingly mean as much in Super as in most Shonen now, considering resolve was all it took to make Goku become 10x stronger against Merged Zamasu.

My example was concerning Piccolo, not Gohan, so it still holds weight in regard to Kuririn.

Basil still tanked his attack and proceeded to one-shot him, so Kuririn can't be anywhere near Basil anyway.

Piccolo went from being fodder to Nappa to being more than half of First Form Freeza in a matter of 6 days when training with Kaio-sama, more gains then what Goku had training for almost a year. Piccolo went from rivaling Base Vegeta (Pink shirt) to being able to make first appearance SS Trunks his bitch in 3 years. Kuririn never made those types of gains.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Kuririn is considered to be the strongest earthling on the team, and he still doesn't match up with his wife, who is fodder to the SS Kids. Although Roshi would probably beat the kids anyways since Super likes to emphasize how skill can defeat opponents tens to hundreds of times stronger than you are, so Roshi probably wins.

#18 >>> Kulilin > Roshi >>> base u6 arc Vegeta >>> Gotenks >>> Goten/Trunks

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Basil still tanked his attack and proceeded to one-shot him, so Kuririn can't be anywhere near Basil anyway.

Piccolo went from being fodder to Nappa to being more than half of First Form Freeza in a matter of 6 days when training with Kaio-sama, more gains then what Goku had training for almost a year. Piccolo went from rivaling Base Vegeta (Pink shirt) to being able to make first appearance SS Trunks his bitch in 3 years. Kuririn never made those types of gains.

Tanking a few Ki Blasts isn't really that impressive in :toei material, given their track record.

Going back to the Gohan VS Kuririn point, Kuririn was skill capable of taking one of Gohan's full powered attacks without much superficial damage.

Whilst I concede that Piccolo has some ridiculous gains throughout the series, he's only one of the many examples in Super. Roshi went from being weaker than Daimao to stronger than average Freeza Soldiers (likely stronger than Tarble as well, given the OVA is implied to be canon to the Super anime) to being capable of making Goku excited by his gains from secret training.Whilst Boo is a prodigy, it's also worth noting his gains throughout Super as well. It's not out of the realm of possibility for Kuririn to have started making the typical Super gains after regaining his fighting spirit.

 

[Future Warrior]

Tanking a few Ki Blasts isn't really that impressive in :toei material, given their track record.

I don't know man, he laughed it off without even a scratch. He seems to be leagues above Kuririn imo.

Going back to the Gohan VS Kuririn point, Kuririn was skill capable of taking one of Gohan's full powered attacks without much superficial damage.

I don't put significance into 1-shot gaps when pertaining to Super, considering Base Goku was able to take Hit's attacks, and Roshi surviving attacks from Tagoma.

Whilst I concede that Piccolo has some ridiculous gains throughout the series, he's only one of the many examples in Super. Roshi went from being weaker than Daimao to stronger than average Freeza Soldiers (likely stronger than Tarble as well, given the OVA is implied to be canon to the Super anime) to being capable of making Goku excited by his gains from secret training.Whilst Boo is a prodigy, it's also worth noting his gains throughout Super as well. It's not out of the realm of possibility for Kuririn to have started making the typical Super gains after regaining his fighting spirit.

Fair enough, I don't have a counter to this one. But what I do want to say is that it isn't necessary to make Kuririn that strong considered it's definitely established that's he's weaker than his wife. It's not completely out of the question for her to be much stronger, but we don't have a statement or an implication of her doing any sort of training therefore it's best to assume she's at the same level. You could say her sparring matches with Kuririn somehow made her boo saga top tiers, but we have no idea if the scene where she spars with Kuririn was the first time or not so we don't know. Heck, they could have just sparred once and that was it. Although if you feel she is SS2 tier now and Kuririn isn't leagues behind her than It can't be contradicted I guess.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This thread...

The kids wins.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

This thread...

The kids wins.

You always overrate the children. How can they be stronger than Master Roshi?