DBS Tier List (Manga)

[Animelover5487]

Then again, there is that statement Goku made about Initial SSJ2 Trunks being only stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan, rather than saying he's stronger than someone like Boo.

Goku didn't say that Trunks was "only" stronger than CG Gohan. Such specificity wasn't part of the statement. Still a severe understatement though.

Still, if Trunks could solo the Boo arc then why didn't say something like, "Wow! You are much stronger than even Boo was!"

 

[Spiral-Force]

Still, if Trunks could solo the Boo arc then why didn't say something like, "Wow! You are much stronger than even Boo was!"

Buu's revival was prevented in Future Trunks' timeline, so he didn't know the Majin beyond word of mouth. On the other hand, SSJ2 Kid Gohan's power is something he's very familiar with.

 

[Future Warrior]

Still, if Trunks could solo the Boo arc then why didn't say something like, "Wow! You are much stronger than even Boo was!"

Buu's revival was prevented in Future Trunks' timeline, so he didn't know the Majin beyond word of mouth. On the other hand, SSJ2 Kid Gohan's power is something he's very familiar with.

He still knew he was a force to be reckoned with. Goku saying Majin Buu wouldn't pose a threat to him now or that he is able to hold his own against him even with training from the gods would treat his gains with far more respect if he were truly that strong.

 

[GSM123]

If keeping the fifty times multiplier than probably not even Fat Boo but I think the Super Saiyan multipliers are much lower in Super, so Base Goku might last until SSJ Gotenks (ROSAT).

So you think Future Dabra is stronger than Fat/Pure Boo?

 

[Spiral-Force]

He still knew he was a force to be reckoned with. Goku saying Majin Buu wouldn't pose a threat to him now or that he is able to hold his own against him even with training from the gods would treat his gains with far more respect if he were truly that strong.

Since Trunks thwarted Future Babidi's plans, Buu's power was still just a concept to him, unlike the actual ki he felt from SSJ2 Kid Gohan, which is the greatest ki that Goku knows Trunks sensed from his last visit to the main timeline. The statement is underwhelming, yeah, but it technically doesn't contradict how strong Trunks really is since Goku didn't say he's only minimally stronger than Kid Gohan or something like that.

 

[Pyro]

If keeping the fifty times multiplier than probably not even Fat Boo but I think the Super Saiyan multipliers are much lower in Super, so Base Goku might last until SSJ Gotenks (ROSAT).

So you think Future Dabra is stronger than Fat/Pure Boo?

...just goes to show how stupid Babidi is.

 

[Void]

Black shows up right after Trunks kills Dabura, so the former is pretty damn strong here since he had been training intensely for ~10 years as he claimed. Goku tells him during their sparring that he's way stronger than CG Gohan and that's before Trunks does his Mega SS2 nonsense. Dabura might be pretty strong here since Trunks had so much trouble.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

They were all attacking him at once though. In a one-on-one battle Beerus could stomp them. Also, Beerus said that Goku and Vegeta would make good candidates for a Hakaishin in another universe so the gap between top tier Hakaishins is pretty significant.

Beerus and Champa were shown to be rivals in a flashback and the former wasn't suggested to have become far stronger since then. Other Hakaishin also presented abilities capable of holding their own against Beerus for some time, such as Sidra's barrier having better defence than the rest of them and Beerus struggling to escape from Mosco's grip.

When was Champs stated to be weaker than Rumshi?

He was shown seemingly paralyzed by Rumoosh's roar, moreso than Beerus at least.

Why? Because he fought together with him? Hit got stronger but there is not much evidence supporting that it was by so much.

They did comparably well and Goku was even shocked that Hit had gotten so strong. Wouldn't make much sense unless Hit's power was already approaching PSSB tier.

IIRC, Freeza did so well mainly due to his telekinesis.

Which still wouldn't mean much if they weren't relatively close in power.

 

[GSM123]

What's your reasoning for SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ2 Black and SSJB Goku/Vegeta > SSJ Rosé Black?

 

[Animelover5487]

So you think Future Dabra is stronger than Fat/Pure Boo?

No. I am honestly conflicted on where I would put Base Saiyans in comparison to Z since I don't have a power level list to base it off of......ugh.. I might go with the fifty times multiplier just to make it simple.

Beerus and Champa were shown to be rivals in a flashback and the former wasn't suggested to have become far stronger since then.

Yeah, I think Beerus got stronger. Beerus knocked him away easily in the Hakaishin battle.

such as Sidra's barrier having better defence than the rest of them and Beerus struggling to escape from Mosco's grip.

They can still do things like that with a significant gap, when I say signficent, I mean like they are an 8 or 8.5 to Beerus 10. Something like, Vegeta vs Dodoria.

They did comparably well and Goku was even shocked that Hit had gotten so strong. Wouldn't make much sense unless Hit's power was already approaching PSSB tier..

Hit had all of his attacks blocked, with the only successful being an off-guard before resorting to had. Goku was shocked at how powerful Hit became compared to before. Say, Hit is between Blue and Perfected Blue tier is a huge power jump from the same guy who not long ago wasn't much stronger than SSJG.

What's your reasoning for SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ2 Black

SSJ2 Vegeta dominated SSJ Black (I don't think Black was a Super Saiyan 2 despite the artwork).

SSJB Goku/Vegeta > SSJ Rosé Black?

SSJB Vegeta beat on SSJR Black after learning to utilize Blue into short bursts to stay at full power.

 

[GSM123]

SSJ2 Vegeta dominated SSJ Black (I don't think Black was a Super Saiyan 2 despite the artwork).

Yeah i know that. Want i meant was if you think there's an in-universe explanation for why SSJ2 Vegeta is >> SSJ3 Goku despite the fact Goku and Vegeta are equals.

SSJB Vegeta beat on SSJR Black after learning to utilize Blue into short bursts to stay at full power.

Vegeta was at full power against Black on Round 1 though. Even if his stamina was falling that much (What isn't implied to be the case), he still ate a Senzu mid fight but was still losing to Black.

 

[Pyro]

SSJ2 Vegeta dominated SSJ Black (I don't think Black was a Super Saiyan 2 despite the artwork).

Yeah i know that. Want i meant was if you think there's an in-universe explanation for why SSJ2 Vegeta is >> SSJ3 Goku despite the fact Goku and Vegeta are equals.

SSJB Vegeta beat on SSJR Black after learning to utilize Blue into short bursts to stay at full power.

Vegeta was at full power against Black on Round 1 though. Even if his stamina was falling that much (What isn't implied to be the case), he still ate a Senzu mid fight but was still losing to Black.

I think CC had a theory that Vegeta was losing his shouki/yuuki due to Black always being healed while Zamasu is around, so it's almost pointless to keep fighting.

 

[GSM123]

I think CC had a theory that Vegeta was losing his shouki/yuuki due to Black always being healed while Zamasu is around, so it's almost pointless to keep fighting.

Yeah i'm aware of this. I just want to see what are Animelover's theories.

 

[GSM123]

I think CC had a theory that Vegeta was losing his shouki/yuuki due to Black always being healed while Zamasu is around, so it's almost pointless to keep fighting.

Yeah i'm aware of this. I just want to see what are Animelover's theories.

 

[Animelover5487]

Yeah i know that. Want i meant was if you think there's an in-universe explanation for why SSJ2 Vegeta is >> SSJ3 Goku despite the fact Goku and Vegeta are equals.

I think Vegeta's rage boost was a permanent power up or perhaps Vegeta learned to tap into that power without rage through training. Trunks having a SSJ2 that's equal to Goku's SSJ3 supports the notion of Super Saiyan 2' s altering power.

Vegeta was at full power against Black on Round 1 though. Even if his stamina was falling that much (What isn't implied to be the case), he still ate a Senzu mid fight but was still losing to Black.

Exactly, round 1. Vegeta got stronger in the ROSAT, as shown by even SSJG Vegeta holding his own against SSJR Black.

I do like CC's theory though. Although, I find it odd for someone like Vegeta to lose yuuki.