Demon King Piccolo Saga Power Levels

[p123]

Quote?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. Yamcha and Krillin consider Weighted Goku's speed to be pretty amazing.

2. Initial Shen and Initial Piccolo are definitely slower than Initial Goku v Tien.

1. All Krillin said was 'Incredible. They're perfectly evenly matched', he didn't really
comment on their speed being greatly above his and his face was nowhere as
freaked out as when Tien raised his speed.

2. What's your problem with Initial Shen~Tenshinhan~Initial Piccolo Jr ?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Tenshinhan saying ganging up would do no good:
Chapter: 182, P8.4-5
Kuririn: “What’s going to happen…?! He’s abnormally strong…Even God lost to him…!”
Tenshinhan: “That’s true…Frankly, even if we all ganged up on him, we’d still be no match.”

Piccolo declaring Goku >> Kami:
Chapter: 182, P9.5-6, P10.1
Piccolo: “Truly Son Goku is nothing but an obstacle for me…Far more so than God, who neglected his training…But this time I’ll definitely kill you…! I’ll tell you right up front that my power now is beyond comparison to what it was 3 years ago!”

 

[p123]

1) Tien vs Goku > Initial Shen/Initial Piccolo

2) Are you saying Krillen/Tien are thinking Piccolo > Goku?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It seems like that. It's not until he Piccolo comes and says Goku > Kami that they notice otherwise.

 

[p123]

Then you have a real case for Expected Goku.

Krillen/Tien both think it's all over because God has been defeated, right?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah. They think it's endgame, but then Yamcha tells them to trust Goku and Goku says he will manage something.

 

[p123]

Well then that confirms it...

Piccolo Shen > Expected Goku FP. That's pretty big...

 

[p123]

Yamcha: There's no way we could have won against that!
Tien: I can't say I blame you. They're at a level far beyond what seems logically possible...


Going back to my earlier assertion, it doesn't appear Tien is making any comparison of Goku to Shen/Piccolo. He's speaking more about the humans in relation to them.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But Tenshinhan should already know that. Those are the guys who took out Kuririn and Yamcha like they were noobs.

It's like the Sick Goku statement. It says something that looks quite retarded, so we look between the lines on the statement and find a new meaning for it.

 

[p123]

I think the humans are speaking from a perspective of a "Us vs Piccolo" mentality, not including Goku.

 

[p123]

Tien: What's more, it seems he hasn't even begun to use his true strength yet... Don't you agree? He never even fired off a single Kamehameha. That really hurts my pride.

Krillen- W-What are we going to do?! He's insanely strong! Even Kami-sama lost to him!
Tien- And to be honest... We still wouldn't stand a chance even if we all attacked him at once...
Yamcha- Unfortunately, it looks like our only choice is to rely on you again, Goku!
Goku- Right! I'll do something!
Roshi- Sorry to burden you, Goku. You're our only hope, now that the Mafuba is useless against him... And Piccolo must have come all the way to the tournament because of the very fact he fears you.
Piccolo- Yes, that just might be the case. To be more precise, Son Goku is an obstacle in my path. Nothing more. Much more than that Kami who neglected his training.

 

[p123]

After reading over the context, it's clear. They are speaking more from a, what help can we afford to help here. The answer is none. Goku is the only one who can deal with this threat, the humans are just letting them reader know just how useless they are against this now recognized global threat.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That makes little to no sense. Why the fuck is Tenshinhan wondering about what he can do on his own? It's not even his fight. He has no business trying to fight Piccolo unless Goku absolutely needs his help.

 

[p123]

It's assumed that Goku is going to have to fight Piccolo. What they are evaluating is if they can help Goku save the world at all, they conclude that they indeed cannot. The fate of the world rests of Goku's shoulders once again.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

P your list is semi linear with the scouters right? Because i noticed something that might screw your list...

23rd Budokai Piccolo needs all of his power to blow up a city. BoZ Piccolo casualy blows up the moon with his weights on.

Ofc busting feats aren't linear, but going from city to moon level is insane. Multifolder gains level.

 

[p123]

2nd Form Freezas blast is smaller than 23rd Budokai Piccolo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What blast size have to do with busting feats?

 

[ahill1]

Going back to the Goku expected FP vs Shen discussion, I don't think those quotes necessarily imply anything beyond Shen >> unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan). The earthlings are all nervous, anxious, sweatting bullets and pinning their hopes on Goku, which wouldn't be the case if the level Piccolo and Shen fought at weren't considerably above the level Goku used to tool Tenshinhan, since were that the case they'd all know Goku had the power to deal with Piccolo since Tenshinhan earlier pinpointed how the level Goku used to deal with him wasn't anywhere close to his full power. They wouldn't have that much of an anxious demeanor and see Piccolo as a threat to the World if it weren't considerably above unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan). If that weren't the case, someone like Tenshinhan would quickly point out how Goku has the power to deal with such threat, much like he calmly pointed out to Kaio (wrongly though, but that's besides the point) that they shouldn't worrry since Goku can raise his level up to 10x.

But still, Tenshinhan wasn't considering Goku as one of the ones who wouldn't stand a chance if they ganged up on Piccolo, as Yamcha pines his hope on Goku in the next statement, showing the earthlings were just talking about their uselessness, not Goku's.

I also think that Ten's anxious demeanor only showing up after Piccolo showed more of his powers against Shen implies the level Piccolo used to deal with Kuririn isn't above Tenshinhan's powers either, as this latter believed himself to be at a level capable of defeating Son Goku and if Piccolo's showcased level vs Kuririn were already at a level that should soundly outclass Tenshinhan, he should have been already kind of showing this cautious demeanor about the situation, which didn't seem to come to the surface until Piccolo fought Shen and left go more of his hidden reserves.


Kuririn : 80

Piccolo (vs Kuririn) : 96

Tenshinhan/weighted Goku : 110

Unweighted Goku (vs Tenshinhan) : 160

Shen/Kami : 270

Piccolo (vs Shen) : 300

Piccolo/Goku (full power) : 600


Those battle powers seem to fit the whole events of the Tournament, I believe.

 

[p123]

@ GS

2nd Form Freeza's "Busting" feats are inferior to 23rd Budokai Piccolo. That's what I'm saying. Busting feats are inconsistent.

@ahill

Yep, that's pretty much exactly what I have. We've arrived at the same conclusion. Tien vs Goku happens after Piccolo vs Krillen and Shen vs Yamcha, yet it doesn't appear like anyone breaks that Weighted Goku Speed threshold until Tien. I think speed wise, Weighted Goku, Piccolo and Shen are all on a similar level. Nothing suggests otherwise.

And yes, all we get from Tien's comments is Shen >>> Unweighted Goku vs Tien.