p123 said:
We have plenty of evidence as far as I'm concerned.
1) We are given a power statement about Piccolo's Post RoSaT power.
2) Cell says Vegeta and Trunks are holding their own and the way it's said, according to Herms, it leaves room for someone else to be holding their own as well. Perhaps Piccolo is doing pretty decently.
3) Piccolo is still fighting Cell Jr while Goku is knocked down. Piccolo's image mirrors what Vegeta/Trunks is doing, albeit Piccolo is more damaged.
4) We have the end of chapter panels depicted a battle worn Vegeta/Trunks along with Piccolo who is more severely battle worn. Piccolo is clearly weaker than Vegeta and Trunks, but it doesn't seem to be by a lot.
This is more evidence than we have for a lot of characters. I don't see why this character's power becomes such a difficulty for some.
If you need some logic behind it, remember, Vegeta and Trunks failed in their first visit in the time chamber. They did not come close to bringing out their maximum potential. Goku, Gohan and Piccolo all brought out their maximum potential at the time in one go.
Piccolo finally fuses with Kami, is restored to the being he once was and then brings his potential to it's max. The Nameless Namek should be damn strong if he's already Android Level without training.
Why wouldn't Piccolo be this strong?
I think you meant "plenty of reaching"
1) A statement where Piccolo himself admits he's trash
2) The statement Ieaves room that someone could've been, but another statement from Cell shows us there isn't anyone else, as he completely ignores Piccolo while talking about Vegeta and Trunks:
Chapter: 402 (DBZ 208), P13.5
Context: after Goku says there’s other people to fight besides him
Cell: “It’s the same thing. Vegeta and Trunks may have raised their power, but they should still be inferior to you…”
3 and 4) Yes, Piccolo is stronger than Goku but weaker than Vegeta and Trunks. The part. If we are going to base people's power off their shapes, then tell me how close those two are:
Vegeta and Trunks didn't bring everything out because they focused on the Grade forms instead of mastering Super Saiyan. Piccolo doesn't rely on transformations to get stronger, so the situation isn't very comparable. We do know, however, that he's got less potential than the Saiyans and is training alone. There isn't much he can do besides doing pull ups and meditating.
P how different was Goku and Gohan's training from Vegeta's and Trunks'? Goku and Gohan did sparring and meditation, but so did Vegeta and Trunks.
Super Saiyan said:
The way I Jew it, those guys are as good as dead. I’ll concede on that point because it’s impossible to prove, but I don’t change my stance.
I’ll ask you two questions.
1) if the Juniors one shot the humans, why don’t they do the same to Piccolo? If he is in one shot range should he not receive the same treatment?
2) What feats are there to prove Piccolo is that weak? I’m not trying to sound like an asshole on this one, but you asked us for pure feats to show Piccolo being that strong. I think we’ve provided some pretty reasonable arguments, that while not factual, certainly can hold some weight. What is there to show Piccolo is on Super Vegeta level aside from “he doesn’t need to be that strong”?
Still, if the Cell Jrs really where bloodlusted they would have done more than just beating around those guys who can't even stand up anymore. Though you just said you're not going to budge, so nevermind.
1) What is the one shot range, exactly? Piccolo takes a ton of punishment from Imperfect Cell, but still has enough energy to get back on his feat. Even if the Cell Jr were bloodlusted, I don't think Piccolo would've been taken down so easily, even if he's like 1/10 of the Cell Jr.
2) He acknowledges he can't do jack shit against Cell, so he shouldn't be capable of doing anything to someone even stronger as well.
Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even so, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”
There are also his conditions: He's not as gifted as the Saiyans when it comes to potential/hidden power, is training on his own and got zero transformations to power him up. This is highlighted when Vegeta tells Piccolo he'd just waste his time by training in the Rosat:
Chapter: 390 (DBZ 196), P2.4
Context: after Piccolo talks about using the Room of Spirit and Time again
Vegeta: “…That’d just be a waste of time. Only Saiyans can step into the region ahead…”
I could mention how he compares to Kaioshin too, but that'd open a whole can of worms and it's not like I've got anything proving how strong Kaioshin is compared to CG characters.
