Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He just isn't very gifted. He presumably trained his entire life under Tsuru's very strict school, while Yamcha and Kuririn reached his level with just a few years with Roshi.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It seems strange Kuririn and Yamcha in the 23rd Budokai would be so worried about a figure like Tao Pai Pai that Goku defeated 6 years ago when they are eons above that level.

They bring up him knowing Tenshinhan's techniques as a factor and knew he oneshotted Chaozu, which of course his previous self wasn't able to do. They were most likely overestimating him and perhaps Chaozu based on that feat and Chaozu having not been far behind them 3 years prior. The implications of Tao Pai Pai's capabilities at the 22nd TB despite the power scaling also suggest his skill in general is great enough to be a threat to significantly stronger opponents and the lessons from Karin's training may have been a greater factor than most give credit to.

Why was Chaozu so weak? We saw in the 22nd Budokai that Chaozu wasn't a complete pushover for Krillin. What changed after this? In the 23rd Budokai, we see Yamcha and Krillin approaching Young Piccolo Daimao's level, yet Chaozu wasn't even close to that level despite undergoing the same training. Then after 5 years of training with Tenshinhan + Kami's training he amounted to less than Yajirobe lol. Wtf happened?

As GSM said, he was most likely nowhere near as talented as the others. His debut self had the advantage of a strong sparring partner in Tenshinhan and Tsuru Sennin possibly taking a more active role in his training than Roshi did for Yamcha and Kuririn, not to mention likely for far longer than the near 4 years Kuririn had. After that, the playing field was far more levelled for training regimes between the humans and it became apparent Chaozu simply couldn't keep up.
That, and the more meta factor of him probably not being as popular as the other characters and Toriyama not being interested enough in him to give him as much plot relevancy (very telling with how he got completely shafted after his explosion).

 

[SSJ2]

Chapter 337 (DBZ 143), P7.4
Tenshinhan: “I left Chaozu behind. He trained, but frankly he couldn’t keep up with this fight…”
Goku: “That’s for the best.”

What do we think of this quote? Is Tenshinhan delusional enough to think that he and Krillin could keep up?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He seemed to believe they could at least help out in some way, whereas Chaozu could do basically nothing. This is pretty true considering the Shin Kikoho and Kienzan can be useful support moves regardless of the user's power, whereas Chaozu's telekinesis is virtually useless on those that have a significant lead on him like Cyborg Tao Pai Pai or Nappa.

 

[SIAD]

Is Mr. Popo Human?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He's stated to originate from Other World in Daizenshuu 7's world section, so no, he's some sort of divine being. Same for Karin.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Rewatching DB season 4. Currently at Tenshinhan vs Jackie-Chun. Starts off with Yamucha in the hospital so the memes write themselves.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Does the crew know Chun is Roshi at this point?

 

[SSJ2]

No, somehow none of them find out

 

[Southern Gothic]

And yet Tenshinhan figured it out in three episodes

 

[Southern Gothic]

I've only seen seasons 1 and 4 of DB so help me out. What's the relationship between Tenshinhan, Crane Hermit and Tao Pai-Pai? They reference him a lot.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Tsuru (Or Crane Hermit in the FuniDub) and Tao Pai Pai are brothers. Tenshinhan was trained under Tsuru, and Tao occasionally teached on his brother’s school.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Who's stronger? Crane or Tao?

 

[Southern Gothic]

1) Why was Piccolo Daimao's crest left at Krillin's dead body? It it a calling card or a plot device? If so, Piccolo really gave himself away at the word go. Could have not left that there for everyone to see.

2) Help me understand the relationships here with regards to martial arts schools.

Mutaito was the top guy, and he trained Gohan, Roshi and Crane Hermit. Did he also train Tao or did Tao learn on his own?

So Crane Hermit goes and does his own school, where Tenshinhan trained and sometimes Tao was there too as a teacher.

Roshi and Gohan also then went their own ways and started schools. Both taught Goku which brings us to where we are today.

Do I have this tree correct?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

i think tsuru-sen'nin >>> normal tao

i think piccolo-daimao left that as a card to show the world that the terror of piccolo-daimao has returned or something i think

master-mutaito trained kame-sen'nin & tsuru-sen'nin i think

piccolo-daimao's 1st reign happened when they were young & fighting alongside master-mutaito i think & tao was even younger then i think.

i think after that tsuru-sen'nin turned evil himself, perhaps because he thought being good was futile or something bad like that after seeing piccolo-daimao's reign & master-mutaito dying.

tao was then i think presumably trained by his older brother, so maybe goes master-mutaito -> tsuru-sen'nin -> tao-pai-pai & also master-mutaito -> kame-sen'nin -> gyu-mao/grand-father gohan i think

 

[Fantastische Hure]

did tsuru-sen'nin's school only train future assassins? i'm not sure, if any-1 can & wants to answer.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Tamborine just left another symbol on Bakuterian so it make more sense now. If it was just the one time I would have thought it was dumb but Damaio is making his presence known.

Thanks for the breakdown. I'm piecing these relationships together from limited knowledge. So Gohan as a student of Muten Roshi, not with him under Mataito?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

ye, gyu-mao & grand-father gohan were trained by kame-sen'nin. that was stated at the beginning of the series too i think.

that'd also be kewl to knw more abt the relation-ship between tao & kame-sen'nin i think but not much there i think

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Who's stronger? Crane or Tao?

When Roshi takes off his shirt to get serious, Tenshinhan notices he’s stronger than Tsuru. This is after Tenshinhan defeated Yamcha, who thought he could win the Budokai knowing how strong Goku was after training with Karin.

Master Roshi > Tsuru > Yamcha > Goku (Post Karin) > Tao

1) Why was Piccolo Daimao's crest left at Krillin's dead body? It it a calling card or a plot device? If so, Piccolo really gave himself away at the word go. Could have not left that there for everyone to see.

2) Help me understand the relationships here with regards to martial arts schools.

Mutaito was the top guy, and he trained Gohan, Roshi and Crane Hermit. Did he also train Tao or did Tao learn on his own?

So Crane Hermit goes and does his own school, where Tenshinhan trained and sometimes Tao was there too as a teacher.

Roshi and Gohan also then went their own ways and started schools. Both taught Goku which brings us to where we are today.

Do I have this tree correct?

1) Probably a calling card. Piccolo wants people to know he’s back for blood.

2) Mutaito trained Roshi and Tsuru. After the Piccolo Daimao Wars they went their separate ways. Roshi also trained under Karin at one point, probably before since Karin thinks Goku is stronger than Roshi after both trained with him, but In the Piccolo Saga Roshi says he used to be far stronger when young, despite rivaling 22nd Budokai Goku.

The anime and manga converge as to whether Tsuru left before or after Mutaito died. Can’t remember which is which. But each founded their schools, and Roshi trained Gohan and Gyumao. They trained together, but it’s implied Gohan was closer to Roshi’s age than to Gyumao’s.

did tsuru-sen'nin's school only train future assassins? i'm not sure, if any-1 can & wants to answer.

I want to answer, but I can’t

It was definitely assassin style, and most became assassins (assuming there weree students other than Tien and Chaozu), but idk if it was specifically a assassin school.

that'd also be kewl to knw more abt the relation-ship between tao & kame-sen'nin i think but not much there i think

I don’t think they ever met. Tao is 300 years old and Piccolo spent 300 years dormant, so Tao was a baby when Roshi and Tsuru parted ways.

It’s implied the two friends still saw each other since they recognized themselves in the 22nd Budokai as old men, but not sure about Roshi and Tao.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Tamborine just called Bakuterian, and I quote, "weak as shit." l0l

Also Yajirobe was absolutely based once upon a time.