Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo definitely didn't sense Kaioshin's power. Vegeta was waiting to see Kaioshin fight so they could measure his power. Piccolo couldn't fight because of who Kaioshin was. He didn't even understand why he was feeling that way.

This is a case of the Daizenshuu writers taking this instance and converting it into a fact. That's not to say Kaioshin isn't above Piccolo. Just that Piccolo walking away has nothing to do with that fact.

Shin was only standing, though. There are a lot of situations you can't gauge someone's power because they are not fighting. If Shin couldn't be sensed, they would coment he was giving no Ki at all like they comented at :bitch

I'm not sure if he forfeited only because of power, though. The scene does make a mystery and gives a hype about Shin's idendity, but Piccolo using a term about power when Goku asked about Shin's power and the claim never being contradicted seals the deal for me.

 

[SSJ2]

But nobody could sense him man.. why would only Piccolo have the ability to do so? The writing in that section is honestly trash, and I much prefer Viz's take on it. Even going by what Herms says, the quote is irrelevant. It's just a filler quote as Piccolo is lying to avoid revealing Kaioshin's identity.

... But they did comment that he wasn't giving off any ki?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

If Kaioshin only standing is why none of them sensed him, why would Piccolo sense that he's so much stronger than him, then?

We know Piccolo sensed the fact that he was a higher being. That much is certain...or he would've never even asked the question when he saw him. Everyone was sitting there the entire time wondering wtf was going on with them staring each other down. Piccolo didn't even know why he couldn't fight him. If it was only about power, then Piccolo would've knew he couldn't fight him because he was much weaker than him.

Bobbidi's men can't be sensed because of Bobbidi's magic. That's sorta different. Kaioshin and Kibito's presence stands out even though they can't be sensed.

The only time someone sensed Kaioshin was when Kibito was looking for him. No one else in the entire Boo saga ever sensed him. When Goku felt Gohan on the Kaioshin world, he teleported there and only noticed Kaioshin and Kibito after the fact. Furthermore, everything said about Kaioshin and Kibito had to do with their presence rather than anything else. Gohan said Kibito "didn't seem" like someone he could just beat while holding-back a lot. Goku said he "doesn't think" Kibito is an average joe. Basically, outside of that Piccolo comment, no one ever senses Kaioshin or Kibito.

 

[SSJ2]

I find it interesting that Gohan thought he needed SSJ to save Videl from Spopovitch. :bitch

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Sometime back, I had :bitch and Yamu way above Freeza.

Don't judge me.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Sometime back, I had :bitch and Yamu way above Freeza.
Don't judge me.

Lord :bitch >> Bottom Bitch Yamu > Zen-Oh, so that much is obvious.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If Piccolo sensed him, why did he ask later? He gave up based on a assumption? Why did he tell Goku Shin was leaps and bounds above him then? Piccolo didn't know the reason, but when Shin talked to him he noticed how outmatched he was. To repeat myself here:

Kibito was only standing when he faced Gohan and had no intention in fighting him, so he shouldn't be giving any considerable Ki. that's the reason he had to make an assumption about his power. As for Goku's coment in Shin and Kibito, it's more based on their attitude. A random guy appears floating and shows signals of knowing Goku. He sure isn't an average guy, so it's natural they would assume his fellow isn't either.

Viz translation doesn't solve shit. Another manga uses the very same statement to refer to power, and Tenshinhan coments a similiar thing about Goku's power when he defeats him at the 23rd Budokai. I can't find the scans, though.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Sometime back, I had :bitch and Yamu way above Freeza.

Don't judge me.

Well, you're right about :bitch

Seriously, i've been seeing people putting them above Cell.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Seriously, i've been seeing people putting them above Cell.

People are slowly being converted to Spopovichism.

Everything is transpiring as according to my design.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

You don't always have to be fighting to give off a huge Chi. How many times have we seen guys sensed and stated to have a huge power despite standing? This also doesn't explain how Piccolo could sense the depths of his power when everyone else can't. Piccolo is sitting there wondering why he can't fight this guy that he's never met before.

If Piccolo is shivering over Kaioshin's great power, Piccolo has no reason to question his fear if it's only because the guy is several times more powerful. That strange fear he's experiencing needs to be attributed to something far different than raw power alone. We see that the main focal point is his status. Kaioshin even states this once Piccolo left.

Piccolo didn't appear to disclose anything to Goku regarding Kaioshin's status. The fact that he tried to approach Kaioshin alone kinda implies it wasn't something he wanted everyone to hear. The easiest reply to Goku's question is that Kaioshin was way above him. That way, they'd just leave it alone altogether.

And it still doesn't make sense for Goku to only sense Base Gohan on the Kaioshin world and not notice the Chi of Kaioshin and Kibito. He's surprised to see them both there once he arrived.

 

[Papasmurf]

Seriously, i've been seeing people putting them above Cell.

People are slowly being converted to Spopovichism.

Everything is transpiring as according to my design.

 

[SSJ2]

Funny, when Vegeta killed Pui Pui, neither Goku or Gohan gave a shit. Yet when he killed the likes of Jheese, Burter, Reacoom, Goku got incredibly mad. Gohan also got pissed when he saw Babidi kill Spopovitch and Yamu. Consistent writing.

 

[Papasmurf]

Funny, when Vegeta killed Pui Pui, neither Goku or Gohan gave a shit. Yet when he killed the likes of Jheese, Burter, Reacoom, Goku got incredibly mad. Gohan also got pissed when he saw Babidi kill Spopovitch and Yamu. Consistent writing.

They couldn't stand breathing the same air as the all powerful puipui, they were jelly

 

[Papasmurf]

But on that note, Galu was also ok with killing Dabra to free :Krillin and Pickollo

 

[SSJ2]

That's slightly different tho, they had to. Although I agree. His character just goes to shit.

 

[Papasmurf]

That's slightly different tho, they had to. Although I agree. His character just goes to shit.

They had to kill Puipui and Yakong to kill Dabra though. It seems Galu either can't teleport in the ship or he regressed to Super Galu tier intelligence for the first half of the Boo arc.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It seems to me that Piccolo assume that since Kaioshin is the Grand Kaioh the he must be the strongest being.

 

[SSJ2]

Yea I guess. They really should have just blown the ship the fuck up.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku having SSJ3 in store just fucks everything up. He might as well have revealed he has a form above Gohan's and avoid Vegeta turning to a faggot and then kill a depowered Fat Boo with ease as a SSJ3, esp if he didn't take Boo that seriously until he killed Vegeta.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta wouldn't have even cared in that scenario.. Goku had to be a fage and hide it though.

This arc fucking sucks!