Dragon Ball Super News/Spoilers Thread

[Pocket-Gog~]

Meng, plz stop h8ing will you?

At-least he's not as sheeeeet as Toei. I'll take the lesser of the two evils if I have to.

No.

I'd say that even now, Toriyama's still a better writer than Toyo, as well as being a far better mangaka. It's a shame he no longer draws though.

AT is not the one writing the story anymore. He basically comes-up with the basic story and scenarios, so how do you know how good AT is now? Toyotaro is like the screen-play writer with supervision by AT (who approves) so what do you got to say?

DragonBall Minus sucked, btw.

Yeah. And what Toyo makes with those outlines suck.

Jaco the Galactic patrol man, the actual story Toriyama wrote and drew was far better than anything Toyo has so far done. Dragon Ball Minus was literally just a bonus chapter he squeezed in at the tail end.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

No.

I'd say that even now, Toriyama's still a better writer than Toyo, as well as being a far better mangaka. It's a shame he no longer draws though.

AT is not the one writing the story anymore. He basically comes-up with the basic story and scenarios, so how do you know how good AT is now? Toyotaro is like the screen-play writer with supervision by AT (who approves) so what do you got to say?

DragonBall Minus sucked, btw.

Yeah. And what Toyo makes with those outlines suck.

Jaco the Galactic patrol man, the actual story Toriyama wrote and drew was far better than anything Toyo has so far done. Dragon Ball Minus was literally just a bonus chapter he squeezed in at the tail end.

Being a bonus-chapter doesn't stop it from sucking any less. :mikey :mikey :mikey

Jaco was trash as-well, if Toyotaro is doing such a bad job I wonder why AT isn't saying anything, he didn't have a problem calling-out Toei and even saying Toyotaro should draw a little bit with his own style.

Just face fax plz. Modern AT sucks, no matter what way to try and twist it,

 

[Southern Gothic]

Meng, plz stop h8ing will you?

At-least he's not as sheeeeet as Toei. I'll take the lesser of the two evils if I have to.

No.

I'd say that even now, Toriyama's still a better writer than Toyo, as well as being a far better mangaka. It's a shame he no longer draws though.

AT is not the one writing the story anymore. He basically comes-up with the basic story and scenarios, so how do you know how good AT is now? Toyotaro is like the screen-play writer with supervision by AT (who approves) so what do you got to say?

DragonBall Minus sucked, btw.

AT did write the screenplay BoG and Broly (FnF he just did story). Not taking a side in the Toyotaro debate, but it should be noted those two were written by the man himself.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

FnF sucked, too. Oh that PTSD is still haunting me.

 

[Southern Gothic]

FnF sucked, too. Oh that PTSD is still haunting me.

:toei wrote that one

But I am 100% sure BoG credits say "screenplay and story by Akira Toriyama".

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

AT is not the one writing the story anymore. He basically comes-up with the basic story and scenarios, so how do you know how good AT is now? Toyotaro is like the screen-play writer with supervision by AT (who approves) so what do you got to say?

DragonBall Minus sucked, btw.

Yeah. And what Toyo makes with those outlines suck.

Jaco the Galactic patrol man, the actual story Toriyama wrote and drew was far better than anything Toyo has so far done. Dragon Ball Minus was literally just a bonus chapter he squeezed in at the tail end.

Being a bonus-chapter doesn't stop it from sucking any less. :mikey :mikey :mikey

Jaco was trash as-well, if Toyotaro is doing such a bad job I wonder why AT isn't saying anything, he didn't have a problem calling-out Toei and even saying Toyotaro should draw a little bit with his own style.

Just face fax plz. Modern AT sucks, no matter what way to try and twist it,

Then I suppose we should point out how Toyo butchered Goku's character with the hilarious MANLY GAINZ Roshi.

Even if it's trash it still trounces everything Toyo's done. Toriyama does critique his shit, Toyo literally sends his outlines to Toriyama so Toriyama can make suggestions on how to fix them. Toriyama also gave him the advice of cutting corners.

Toriyama: Let's see...if I have to say something else, then I guess it's that you're too careful! Particularly with battle scenes, it might actually be good to cut corners a bit.

Toyotaro: Battle scenes are really difficult, and I'm always fretting over them...

Toriyama: I had trouble drawing fights too. But sometimes drawing them with a rough touch can produce good results, oddly enough. That's why it's important to cut corners (laughs). Then it'll be perfect!


Which is really good advice which I wished Toyo followed. He just crams ten panels in every page as well as filling it with speed lines.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

[mention]2kewl4u[/mention] At least FnF is still gold though (and not just Freezie Pop) compared to the majority of Super though.

 

[Southern Gothic]

I like Jaco and FnF tho. of

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah. And what Toyo makes with those outlines suck.

Jaco the Galactic patrol man, the actual story Toriyama wrote and drew was far better than anything Toyo has so far done. Dragon Ball Minus was literally just a bonus chapter he squeezed in at the tail end.

Being a bonus-chapter doesn't stop it from sucking any less. :mikey :mikey :mikey

Jaco was trash as-well, if Toyotaro is doing such a bad job I wonder why AT isn't saying anything, he didn't have a problem calling-out Toei and even saying Toyotaro should draw a little bit with his own style.

Just face fax plz. Modern AT sucks, no matter what way to try and twist it,

Then I suppose we should point out how Toyo butchered Goku's character with the hilarious MANLY GAINZ Roshi.

Even if it's trash it still trounces everything Toyo's done. Toriyama does critique his shit, Toyo literally sends his outlines to Toriyama so Toriyama can make suggestions on how to fix them. Toriyama also gave him the advice of cutting corners.

Toriyama: Let's see...if I have to say something else, then I guess it's that you're too careful! Particularly with battle scenes, it might actually be good to cut corners a bit.

Toyotaro: Battle scenes are really difficult, and I'm always fretting over them...

Toriyama: I had trouble drawing fights too. But sometimes drawing them with a rough touch can produce good results, oddly enough. That's why it's important to cut corners (laughs). Then it'll be perfect!


Which is really good advice which I wished Toyo followed. He just crams ten panels in every page as well as filling it with speed lines.

Oh yeah, let's point everything that Toyotaro did wrong out. AT didn't just turn Goku into a Super-Man rip-off and literally retconed the whole series that came before.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Being a bonus-chapter doesn't stop it from sucking any less. :mikey :mikey :mikey

Jaco was trash as-well, if Toyotaro is doing such a bad job I wonder why AT isn't saying anything, he didn't have a problem calling-out Toei and even saying Toyotaro should draw a little bit with his own style.

Just face fax plz. Modern AT sucks, no matter what way to try and twist it,

Then I suppose we should point out how Toyo butchered Goku's character with the hilarious MANLY GAINZ Roshi.

Even if it's trash it still trounces everything Toyo's done. Toriyama does critique his shit, Toyo literally sends his outlines to Toriyama so Toriyama can make suggestions on how to fix them. Toriyama also gave him the advice of cutting corners.

Toriyama: Let's see...if I have to say something else, then I guess it's that you're too careful! Particularly with battle scenes, it might actually be good to cut corners a bit.

Toyotaro: Battle scenes are really difficult, and I'm always fretting over them...

Toriyama: I had trouble drawing fights too. But sometimes drawing them with a rough touch can produce good results, oddly enough. That's why it's important to cut corners (laughs). Then it'll be perfect!


Which is really good advice which I wished Toyo followed. He just crams ten panels in every page as well as filling it with speed lines.

Oh yeah, let's point everything that Toyotaro did wrong out. AT didn't just turn Goku into a Super-Man rip-off and literally retconed the whole series that came before.

Toyo turned Goku from a prodigal martial artist, into a man child who just fights by powering up, who still needs to be instructed by his first master. Which both completely contradict, retcon and bastardise the series itself up to that point.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Just because AT is the creator doesn't mean that he can't get criticized. At-least Toyotaro doesn't retcon something in the span of a page. He tries to keep things consistent and he might not succeed all the time, but at-least he tries which is more than I can say for AT.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Then I suppose we should point out how Toyo butchered Goku's character with the hilarious MANLY GAINZ Roshi.

Even if it's trash it still trounces everything Toyo's done. Toriyama does critique his shit, Toyo literally sends his outlines to Toriyama so Toriyama can make suggestions on how to fix them. Toriyama also gave him the advice of cutting corners.

Toriyama: Let's see...if I have to say something else, then I guess it's that you're too careful! Particularly with battle scenes, it might actually be good to cut corners a bit.

Toyotaro: Battle scenes are really difficult, and I'm always fretting over them...

Toriyama: I had trouble drawing fights too. But sometimes drawing them with a rough touch can produce good results, oddly enough. That's why it's important to cut corners (laughs). Then it'll be perfect!


Which is really good advice which I wished Toyo followed. He just crams ten panels in every page as well as filling it with speed lines.

Oh yeah, let's point everything that Toyotaro did wrong out. AT didn't just turn Goku into a Super-Man rip-off and literally retconed the whole series that came before.

Toyo turned Goku from a prodigal martial artist, into a man child who just fights by powering up, who still needs to be instructed by his first master. Which both completely contradict, retcon and bastardise the series itself up to that point.

Prodigal martial artist, eh? You mean the same one that let his guard-down and got one-shotted by a ray-gun?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Oh yeah, let's point everything that Toyotaro did wrong out. AT didn't just turn Goku into a Super-Man rip-off and literally retconed the whole series that came before.

Toyo turned Goku from a prodigal martial artist, into a man child who just fights by powering up, who still needs to be instructed by his first master. Which both completely contradict, retcon and bastardise the series itself up to that point.

Prodigal martial artist, eh? You mean the same one that let his guard-down and got one-shotted by a ray-gun?

The one who beat Master Roshi when he was 12, as well as Master Roshi admitting that he no longer had anything to teach him? Yes, that martial artist.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Toyo turned Goku from a prodigal martial artist, into a man child who just fights by powering up, who still needs to be instructed by his first master. Which both completely contradict, retcon and bastardise the series itself up to that point.

Prodigal martial artist, eh? You mean the same one that let his guard-down and got one-shotted by a ray-gun?

The one who beat Master Roshi when he was 12, as well as Master Roshi admitting that he no longer had anything to teach him? Yes, that martial artist.

That was over 2 decades ago. I'm talking about modern AT. I don't think anyone is disputing anything about Classic AT.

And Master Roshi once again teaching Goku isn't really wrong when AT's concept of UI has literally been done before with Mister Popo, so that one is once again on AT. Anything-else?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Prodigal martial artist, eh? You mean the same one that let his guard-down and got one-shotted by a ray-gun?

The one who beat Master Roshi when he was 12, as well as Master Roshi admitting that he no longer had anything to teach him? Yes, that martial artist.

That was over 2 decades ago. I'm talking about modern AT. I don't think anyone is disputing anything about Classic AT.

And Master Roshi once again teaching Goku isn't really wrong when AT's concept of UI has literally been done before with Mister Popo, so that one is once again on AT. Anything-else?

You're right, the concept of UI was done before with Mr. Popo where Goku learned how to do it. Toyo made him suddenly forget everything he learned.

It's not on Toriyama as the anime had a completely different way which Goku achieved UI, implying that the way he achieved it in the manga was Toyo's idea.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The one who beat Master Roshi when he was 12, as well as Master Roshi admitting that he no longer had anything to teach him? Yes, that martial artist.

That was over 2 decades ago. I'm talking about modern AT. I don't think anyone is disputing anything about Classic AT.

And Master Roshi once again teaching Goku isn't really wrong when AT's concept of UI has literally been done before with Mister Popo, so that one is once again on AT. Anything-else?

You're right, the concept of UI was done before with Mr. Popo where Goku learned how to do it. Toyo made him suddenly forget everything he learned.

It's not on Toriyama as the anime had a completely different way which Goku achieved UI, implying that the way he achieved it in the manga was Toyo's idea.

...or not. Master Roshi had already been retconed by AT to be able to take-out Freeza fodder, so Master Roshi all of a sudden being somewhat relevant isn't far-fetched for AT at-all. The anime also tried to give Master Roshi some shine. If Master Roshi according to AT had been training all this time, which he said in an interview, it's not far-fetched for him to have become even more skilled.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

That was over 2 decades ago. I'm talking about modern AT. I don't think anyone is disputing anything about Classic AT.

And Master Roshi once again teaching Goku isn't really wrong when AT's concept of UI has literally been done before with Mister Popo, so that one is once again on AT. Anything-else?

You're right, the concept of UI was done before with Mr. Popo where Goku learned how to do it. Toyo made him suddenly forget everything he learned.

It's not on Toriyama as the anime had a completely different way which Goku achieved UI, implying that the way he achieved it in the manga was Toyo's idea.

...or not. Master Roshi had already been retconed by AT to be able to take-out Freeza fodder, so Master Roshi all of a sudden being somewhat relevant isn't far-fetched for AT at-all. The anime also tried to give Master Roshi some shine. If Master Roshi according to AT had been training all this time, which he said in an interview, it's not far-fetched for him to have become even more skilled.

There's a light years difference between taking out some irrelevant Freeza fodder, which were also stated to being flat out useless, and what Toyo did with him. Randomly having UI for no reason, becoming a thousand times more skilled than Goku, despite the fact that the series points to the opposite, and how he now had to instruct Goku on shit he knew long ago.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You're right, the concept of UI was done before with Mr. Popo where Goku learned how to do it. Toyo made him suddenly forget everything he learned.

It's not on Toriyama as the anime had a completely different way which Goku achieved UI, implying that the way he achieved it in the manga was Toyo's idea.

...or not. Master Roshi had already been retconed by AT to be able to take-out Freeza fodder, so Master Roshi all of a sudden being somewhat relevant isn't far-fetched for AT at-all. The anime also tried to give Master Roshi some shine. If Master Roshi according to AT had been training all this time, which he said in an interview, it's not far-fetched for him to have become even more skilled.

There's a light years difference between taking out some irrelevant Freeza fodder, which were also stated to being flat out useless, and what Toyo did with him. Randomly having UI for no reason, becoming a thousand times more skilled than Goku, despite the fact that the series points to the opposite, and how he now had to instruct Goku on shit he knew long ago.

I'm not sure whether you are noticing this but it feels like we are going in circles.

UI (a concept AT came-up with) is sheeet Goku knew a long time ago, yet you say nothing about him,

Oh so now that we established the fact that Modern-Day AT is also a bad writer, we are all of a sudden going to look into levels of absurdity? Illogical sheeet is illogical sheeet regardless. Doesn't matter if one seems more absurd.

Maybe Master Roshi learned a bit of UI during his secret training that AT mentioned. Just a guess.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

...or not. Master Roshi had already been retconed by AT to be able to take-out Freeza fodder, so Master Roshi all of a sudden being somewhat relevant isn't far-fetched for AT at-all. The anime also tried to give Master Roshi some shine. If Master Roshi according to AT had been training all this time, which he said in an interview, it's not far-fetched for him to have become even more skilled.

There's a light years difference between taking out some irrelevant Freeza fodder, which were also stated to being flat out useless, and what Toyo did with him. Randomly having UI for no reason, becoming a thousand times more skilled than Goku, despite the fact that the series points to the opposite, and how he now had to instruct Goku on shit he knew long ago.

I'm not sure whether you are noticing this but it feels like we are going in circles.

Oh we totally are. Should we stop?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

There's a light years difference between taking out some irrelevant Freeza fodder, which were also stated to being flat out useless, and what Toyo did with him. Randomly having UI for no reason, becoming a thousand times more skilled than Goku, despite the fact that the series points to the opposite, and how he now had to instruct Goku on shit he knew long ago.

I'm not sure whether you are noticing this but it feels like we are going in circles.

Oh we totally are. Should we stop?

I guess so.