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Fantastische Hure

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i said that one-piece is better than dragonball

& might be

but i said a-lot of stupid things maybe because of how bad db-super & that made the whole series retrospectively look worse to me or something, but the reality is that dragonball can never be surpassed to me

since db-super has ended & i don't have to see that anymore (it's been 2 years) i think i can see back to normal. how that rly is.

dragonball is good.

either-way both dragonball & one-piece are good to me, but dragonball came 1st (to me too).

& wot i said before abt the stupid dragonball role-playing thing was just me talking stupid (maybe boz of db-super like i said before)

this might also show that i suck at ranking things bcoz i rly can't. :mikey :mikey :mikey
 

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There's no real reason why DBS would be representative of what the series is as a whole, especially since it came out 20 years after it was supposed to end. Despite what most think, Toriyama's involvement in it is as bare bones as it can get (creating plot outlines and such), somewhat more than what he did for GT. Aside from the movies though.

I never watched One Piece, and I don't plan to. Aside from it being comically too long for me to even bother, it just seems like the average run of the mill Shonen that tried to be the next DB. That's enough for me to say it's trash as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Future Warrior said:
There's no real reason why DBS would be representative of what the series is as a whole, especially since it came out 20 years after it was supposed to end. Despite what most think, Toriyama's involvement in it is as bare bones as it can get (creating plot outlines and such), somewhat more than what he did for GT. Aside from the movies though.

I never watched One Piece, and I don't plan to. Aside from it being comically too long for me to even bother, it just seems like the average run of the mill Shonen that tried to be the next DB. That's enough for me to say it's trash as far as I'm concerned.
it feels more like an official continuation to me & even if not, the recent 3 movies were written by him & they are connected to db-super in some ways so i couldn't rly not connect them (at-least until some-time ago)

one-piece isn't trying to be the next db. at-least i don't think so. there's an end-game for the series where we know (that most likely the series'll end when the one-piece is found). dragonball didn't rly have an end-game in that sense, i think i think. i wouldn't say it's average, but that's just me.

still tho i can't say one-piece is above dragonball.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
it feels more like an official continuation to me & even if not, the recent 3 movies were written by him & they are connected to db-super in some ways so i couldn't rly not connect them (at-least until some-time ago)

Is GT not considered an ''official continuation''? Anything that comes from TOEI and Shueisha is official DB material. Discussing the subject of what's considered canon is pretty unnecessary.

DB's original run is from 1984-1995. This isn't like One Piece where it hasn't reached it's conclusion in the story, the conclusion of DB has already been completed. It's 20 years later that Toriyama decided that he wanted to continue it thanks to how terrible DB Evo turned out, and it's not even close to the involvement that he had with his own manga.

The point is that DBS should not cloud your judgement of the series, regardless if whether the people at Shueisha and TOEI considers Super to be an ''extension'' of the original run. For me, everything that isn't the Pilaf-Boo arc story is just extra fluff in my eyes. Some of which I enjoy and others I don't.
 

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Glad to see you came around. :gay2

I'd fully agree that, for their original manga and anime, Dragon Ball > One Piece for a few reasons. The most prominent would be character writing. One Piece has characters that had interesting premises or backstory, but its need to have them remain recognisable ends up severely limiting character development and growth with most of the main cast becoming one-note after Alabasta (aside from during the Summit War Arc, and even those changes to the typical narrative were only temporary). Luffy is dumb outside of battle and happy go lucky despite the story calling for him to take things more seriously, Nami's obsession with money remains one-note even after it was given meaning and resolved in Arlong Park, Sanji's simply been given unbelievable disrespect as of the timeskip in general and it's impossible for the gag of Brook wanting to see Nami's panties to be funny when it's repeated 50 or so times. Meanwhile, there was a clear sense of growth and development amongst each member of the main cast throughout most of the arcs. Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc. were all completely different in many aspects by the end of the series compared to the start (Piccolo literally being a completely different person in general) and the addition of new generations helped further this with aspects such as Goku's fatherhood in the Cell Arc, how family changed Vegeta by the time of the Boo Arc, etc.
The second reason would be arc structure and identity. It's easy to write off DB's arcs as simply being "fight bad guy -> power up -> win" but that strawman has no weight behind it when there was quite a variation in how each arc played out such as the Hunt for the Dragon Balls or the Red Ribbon Army Arc being completely different from the more battle-oriented arcs, each of the tournament arcs having their own identity or the mainly battle arcs that comprise the entirety of Z (Saiyan Arc presenting a major tonal shift for the series as it went from fantasy to sci-fi, Freeza Arc adding to this whilst having a more complex quest for the Dragon Balls than prior with 3 main factions, Cell Arc having themes of family throughout its later portions as well as the flaws of the main cast being given physical form with Cell and the Boo Arc bringing the series back to its roots somewhat with a comedic tone and magical, fantastical elements). One Piece had variation in some of its arcs, but most of the New World arcs have just been poor man's versions of pre-timeskip events and the series has come to follow a predictable formula in its arcs of exploration -> rescue -> main conflict, combined with how limited Oda's scope of executing his themes are with how repetitive the "you're my nakama!" line gets.
Thirdly would be in the different approaches to planning in general. Whilst I'm a supporter of authors planning each detail out before writing over improvising, Oda only really does this halfway and it really starts to show after the timeskip. This provides modern One Piece with a similar problem to what Super has with Beerus' power compared to Goku and Vegeta with it setting a ceiling yet struggling to work within those limits for power and abilities. For example, things such as Luffy beating a Shichibukai like Crocodile so early (something Oda has even said he regrets having done) despite how minuscule even the strongest version of pre-timeskip Luffy is compared to New World characters really damages the reputation of the Shichibukai being meant to be one of the three great powers if this was so early into the story and so low on the power scale. The same goes for how much reverence Kuma and Moria seemed to have for Lucci and Luffy's feat of beating him despite how irrelevant the latter would be shown to be at Marineford, forcing Oda to introduce elements such as CP0 to make up for this. Perhaps the biggest case of Oda planning out far less than he let on is how at the supposed war of the best that was Marineford, none of these top tier fighters showcase the physical signs of Busoshoku Haki or seem to use it much if at all despite it being an arc where all their great abilities were meant to be on full display, yet every character worth a damn in the New World starts showing such physical signs of blackened limbs and the like when using it after the timeskip. There's then of course Luffy hiding Gear 4th until Dressrosa even when having to destroy the Noah where it would've been incredibly useful, yet uses it so liberally after the Doflamingo fight. Despite DB suffering from such power creep as well as some continuity issues, few of them were as apparent as many that OP has done for the past decade and at least didn't place a limit on itself that made later escalations less believable.
This extends into another problem with One Piece in its over-reliance on mystery and building up later events over actually executing them. For example, the only real positives in the Skypiea Arc come from what it'll set up for later events rather than what actually happened within it or how Oda introduces so many mysteries that he's dead-set on keeping all for the final arc rather than naturally revealing them naturally when called for. For instance, that reveal at the Reverie would have been the perfect moment to reveal at one of the great mysteries, yet all it added was more questions and no answers. The problem with extending a mystery out for so long is that it hypes it up to the point of having expectations that are unrealistic to fulfil. No matter what the One Piece, Will of D., True History, etc. all are or how they interconnect, there's no way they can live up to the wait with what's come between it ranging from meandering to damaging the endgame.
That's without going into full detail on what makes the timeskip arcs in general so riddled with flaws even GT's quality is arguably better, but that's an essay for another time.

In short, One Piece had the potential to be as good or better than DB, but several aspects such as character writing, story structure and how its overall length harmed these rather than helped stopped it from reaching its full potential, with DB's heights arguably being more solid and its lows not being as low as what OP has reached (especially the Wano Arc). Things may have been different had Oda stuck to something close to his initial draft and restructured the story into one that ran for 5-10 years, but wondering what might have been is fairly pointless right now.
 

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Future Warrior said:
Fantastische Hure said:
it feels more like an official continuation to me & even if not, the recent 3 movies were written by him & they are connected to db-super in some ways so i couldn't rly not connect them (at-least until some-time ago)

Is GT not considered an ''official continuation''? Anything that comes from TOEI and Shueisha is official DB material. Discussing the subject of what's considered canon is pretty unnecessary.

DB's original run is from 1984-1995. This isn't like One Piece where it hasn't reached it's conclusion in the story, the conclusion of DB has already been completed. It's 20 years later that Toriyama decided that he wanted to continue it thanks to how terrible DB Evo turned out, and it's not even close to the involvement that he had with his own manga.

The point is that DBS should not cloud your judgement of the series, regardless if whether the people at Shueisha and TOEI considers Super to be an ''extension'' of the original run. For me, everything that isn't the Pilaf-Boo arc story is just extra fluff in my eyes. Some of which I enjoy and others I don't.
i didn't mean that. i meant that toei & maybe AT himself i can't remember said that battle of gods (which i didn't like that much either iirc) or db-super is part of the official history of dragonball or something
 

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CC, i always liked dragonball & one-piece & i don't think i could have chosen 1 or the other. actually maybe at 1 point i might have chosen dragonball over one-piece because i couldn't keep-up with one-piece because of reasons (television) but then i did get back to one-piece & db-super also happened around that time, that i just kind-of talked bad abt dragonball (because db-super was that bad & one-piece was that good) & always said one-piece was better.

one-piece is still good tho, in my opinion.
 

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How current are you with OP right now? The stuff after Marineford may change your opinion of how it ranks overall.
I'd agree that pre-timeskip OP was anywhere from decent to fairly good, bar a few major hiccups in its middle, though the sheer amount of problems with the more recent arcs has really impacted the series as a whole.
 

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not recent at-all, l0l

i only got up-to abt skypiea (starting, they just got shot-off to skypiea by the old woman), but i already knw abt that so i rly found that hard to watch i think

i started from the beginning again because i thought i needed to see & understand everything since that had been a long-time & forgot some, i think
 

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Yeah, main glaring problem with OP that I'd cite that really bothers me is its story structure and predictable form, to the point the current arcs just end up packing more false tension and drama than anything. The characters' name changes and the placing is different but under a more watchful view you can see many characters fullfil the same role only under different names (Rebecca and Hiyori, for one... Sanji's sister being awfully similar to Saul in Robin's flashback as another one, with even their escape being similar)... and the characters seem also too stagnant to the point many of the traits that made them interesting and authentic are overused to the point you just find it cringe. CC went over it in a really nice way. I really hope though that this new war that is to happen on Wano breaks expectations and delivers a less predictable conflict, with more clever turn around and not simply a "Luffy picks the boss, Zoro the second one and Sanji the third one" scenario, in which case it will just be another disappointment and a bore. That's what made Thriller Bark so unique to me... it was one of the few arcs that had a more unique and open outcome, as Moria had another fighting style and was different from your usual character, and the Oz and Kuma's menace challenged the crew to a point they'd need to do some fine amount of team work to get out of it.

I prefer Dragon Ball, overall, with all its flaws. Although bringing Super to the mix, even part 2 of OP ends up easily outclassing it.
 

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I never watched One Piece, and I don't plan to. Aside from it being comically too long for me to even bother, it just seems like the average run of the mill Shonen that tried to be the next DB. That's enough for me to say it's trash as far as I'm concerned.
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Dragon Ball (the original run not Shitsper) is better purely for being like half as long. Who wants to get 12,000 chapters of one single manga
 

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I never watched One Piece, and I don't plan to. Aside from it being comically too long for me to even bother, it just seems like the average run of the mill Shonen that tried to be the next DB. That's enough for me to say it's trash as far as I'm concerned.
Weren't you a fan of OP before? Lol. From a fan to "trash" overnight.

Reminds me of this quote
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One Piece is better than Dragon Ball but Dragon Ball has more consistent quality than One Piece. I would also argue that Dragon Ball is better than Part II One Piece.
 
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