Fixing FnF (aka the same ol' thread)

[Future Warrior]

Beerus always had the edge against Champa, even Vados says back in the U6 arc that he would likely win because he's not as obese. He isn't stronger to the point where he would win easily in a one on one fight. Champa wasn't down for the count during their battle royale match.

Regardless, Beerus and the other GoD being naturally gifted because of their strength is an assumption on your part.

 

[Papasmurf]

Beerus always had the edge against Champa, even Vados says back in the U6 arc that he would likely win because he's not as obese. He isn't stronger to the point where he would win easily in a one on one fight. Champa wasn't down for the count during their battle royale match.

They were shown fighting evenly in a flashback. The U6 arc was fairly recent (meaning it may as well have been yesterday by Hakaishin standards). Vados implying Beerus > Champa in the present day doesn't mean the gap was always large.

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He was by far the most injured Hakaishin (even though Beerus was the one who fought multiple opponents) and was beaten up and used as a decoy, and as I said, celebrated the fact that he was let off before he could be humiliated. I'd call that being down for the count.

Regardless, Beerus and the other GoD being naturally gifted because of their strength is an assumption on your part.

Given that Whis only let Goku and Vegeta train with him because they showed promise against Beerus, Hakaishin candidates not being very talented is an argument with more holes than Swiss cheese. Or DBS' plot. Anyone who achieves power great enough to be considered alongside the likes of SSJG Galu, prior to training with Whis is very talented. Even if Beerus' natural progression speed probably isn't as fast as Freeza's, he clearly took ages and ages to gain his power. 40 years isn't that long by comparison, and it doesn't devalue the special properties of God forms unlike what we saw in the movie.

 

[Future Warrior]

They were shown fighting evenly in a flashback. The U6 arc was fairly recent (meaning it may as well have been yesterday by Hakaishin standards). Vados implying Beerus > Champa in the present day doesn't mean the gap was always large.

Spoiler

And then Whis says that their fights have since been settled with food to avoid the risk of them destroying the universe, implying the fight would go the same way it did in that flashback (in which Vados and Whis had to intervene).

He was by far the most injured Hakaishin (even though Beerus was the one who fought multiple opponents) and was beaten up and used as a decoy, and as I said, celebrated the fact that he was let off before he could be humiliated. I'd call that being down for the count.

I meant when he was acting as a decoy. By the time he looked like that in that panel he had to fight multiple other Gods of Destruction other than Beerus.

Given that Whis only let Goku and Vegeta train with him because they showed promise against Beerus, Hakaishin candidates not being very talented is an argument with more holes than Swiss cheese. Or DBS' plot.

Hakaishin candidates aren't necessarily ''supposed'' to be talented to be qualified, just as Goku isn't.

 

[Papasmurf]

They were shown fighting evenly in a flashback. The U6 arc was fairly recent (meaning it may as well have been yesterday by Hakaishin standards). Vados implying Beerus > Champa in the present day doesn't mean the gap was always large.

Spoiler

And then Whis says that their fights have since been settled with food to avoid the risk of them destroying the universe, implying the fight would go the same way it did in that flashback (in which Vados and Whis had to intervene).

Right. But before they decided to settle their falderals with food, they were seen dodging each other and Beerus didn't show an upper hand. In fact, their Destruction Balls were seemingly attacks of equal caliber. If the gap has widened (and it has a lot) since then, then obviously Beerus has kept up his training while Champa has not.

He was by far the most injured Hakaishin (even though Beerus was the one who fought multiple opponents) and was beaten up and used as a decoy, and as I said, celebrated the fact that he was let off before he could be humiliated. I'd call that being down for the count.

I meant when he was acting as a decoy. By the time he looked like that in that panel he had to fight multiple other Gods of Destruction other than Beerus.

They primarily ganged up on Beerus. Beerus >> Champa is undeniable.

Given that Whis only let Goku and Vegeta train with him because they showed promise against Beerus, Hakaishin candidates not being very talented is an argument with more holes than Swiss cheese. Or DBS' plot.

Hakaishin candidates aren't necessarily ''supposed'' to be talented to be qualified, just as Goku isn't.

So a mortal that accomplishes SSJG tier power without the ritual somehow isn't talented?

 

[Future Warrior]

Right. But before they decided to settle their falderals with food, they were seen dodging each other and Beerus didn't show an upper hand. In fact, their Destruction Balls were seemingly attacks of equal caliber. If the gap has widened (and it has a lot) since then, then obviously Beerus has kept up his training while Champa has not.

And what I'm saying is that there's nothing to suggest the gap has widened. There's no risk of destroying the universe if Beerus could handily beat Champa, which he can't and is why they continue the food battles.

Also, Vados says that Beerus would win because of his better physique (in a joking-manner, might I add). Considering Champa has always been obese judging by that flashback, the outcome of the fight wouldn't be in Beerus' favor because of his greater Ki level.

They primarily ganged up on Beerus. Beerus >> Champa is undeniable.

After a certain point it literally became every man for himself free for all. That is certainly undeniable.

So a mortal that accomplishes SSJG tier power without the ritual somehow isn't talented?

Vegeta did. Goku already got a taste of the god power from the ritual.

 

[Papasmurf]

Right. But before they decided to settle their falderals with food, they were seen dodging each other and Beerus didn't show an upper hand. In fact, their Destruction Balls were seemingly attacks of equal caliber. If the gap has widened (and it has a lot) since then, then obviously Beerus has kept up his training while Champa has not.

And what I'm saying is that there's nothing to suggest the gap has widened. There's no risk of destroying the universe if Beerus could handily beat Champa, which he can't and is why they continue the food battles.

Also, Vados says that Beerus would win because of his better physique (in a joking-manner, might I add). Considering Champa has always been obese judging by that flashback, the outcome of the fight wouldn't be in Beerus' favor because of his greater Ki level.

Beerus didn't show greater ki or a huge upper hand against Champa in the flashback. Maybe he was moderately stronger due to his physique, but if the gap was as big as it was in the battle royale, why would Beerus resort to a universe busting attack?

They primarily ganged up on Beerus. Beerus >> Champa is undeniable.

After a certain point it literally became every man for himself free for all. That is certainly undeniable.

Beerus literally stunned him faster than the other Hakaishin could catch on, and despite quarreling with Quitela he was still less injured than Champa was. The gap is clearly far bigger than in the flashback.

So a mortal that accomplishes SSJG tier power without the ritual somehow isn't talented?

Vegeta did. Goku already got a taste of the god power from the ritual.

Not talking about Vegeta, who went Blue without the ritual only in the anime anyway. Whis onlu suggested the Hakaishin job to Galu after seeing godlike performance against Beerus, so pre-Whis training Beerus would be of a similar plateau.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Why not just give Freeza his version of a god ritual? It would give a good reason for him getting massively stronger, further add to God Ki (now that Saiyans aren't the only guys with it) and actually flesh out the Super Saiyan Blue and Golden Form dynamic.

 

[Future Warrior]

Beerus didn't show greater ki or a huge upper hand against Champa in the flashback. Maybe he was moderately stronger due to his physique, but if the gap was as big as it was in the battle royale, why would Beerus resort to a universe busting attack?

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I said Beerus has the slight edge but not to the extent that you say it is, and that hasn't changed since then. Vados says the only advantage he has is that he is more slim.

Beerus literally stunned him faster than the other Hakaishin could catch on, and despite quarreling with Quitela he was still less injured than Champa was. The gap is clearly far bigger than in the flashback.

All I see is that he managed to one-up Champa at that moment. That's not enough evidence to say he's outright stronger by a large margin over him.

Most of the fighting happened off-screen. We don't know what went down during most of the battle royal that put them in those conditions. You're just speculating at this point.

Vermoud doesn't even seem to be injured at all during the tournament. Is he the strongest GoD? Maybe, maybe not. He was probably just playing possum most of the time, but who knows? I'm not one to make assumptions.

Not talking about Vegeta, who went Blue without the ritual only in the anime anyway. Whis onlu suggested the Hakaishin job to Galu after seeing godlike performance against Beerus, so pre-Whis training Beerus would be of a similar plateau.

I've already went over this. We know nothing about what Beerus went through or even how old he was at the time Whis found him.

I mean, hell. Jiren may or may not be gifted, yet look how strong he became.

 

[Papasmurf]

Beerus didn't show greater ki or a huge upper hand against Champa in the flashback. Maybe he was moderately stronger due to his physique, but if the gap was as big as it was in the battle royale, why would Beerus resort to a universe busting attack?

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I said Beerus has the slight edge but not to the extent that you say it is, and that hasn't changed since then. Vados says the only advantage he has is that he is more slim.

Beerus literally stunned him faster than the other Hakaishin could catch on, and despite quarreling with Quitela he was still less injured than Champa was. The gap is clearly far bigger than in the flashback.

All I see is that he managed to one-up Champa at that moment. That's not enough evidence to say he's outright stronger by a large margin over him.

Most of the fighting happened off-screen. We don't know what went down during most of the battle royal that put them in those conditions. You're just speculating at this point.

I'm starting to think you are just being intellectually dishonest for the sake of it.

Vados said you can tell who is stronger by their physique, she didn't specify the amount. The flashback showed them fighting evenly, without indication that Beerus could blitz Champa and stun him as fast as he did in the battle royale, even though he had to worry about several other opponents who blamed his universe as the bane behind the ToP. The feats in the flashback and the battle royale paint an entirely different picture in regard to the gap between the two, and if the gap was a mere slight edge then Toyotaro wouldn't depict Champa being pathetic enough to be used as a decoy or as being more heavily injured than Beerus who had other Hakaishin gang up on him long before it became an every man for himself fight. And furthermore, while Champa was downed on the fucking tournament ring we had Beerus fighting evenly with Quitela. Beerus also showed no signs of having his incomplete UI (or at least to the extent that it was viable in a fight) in the flashback, yet he outmaneuvered the majority of the Hakaishin with it in the tournament.

Beerus having grown stronger, or Champa having grown weaker (or a combination of the two) is pretty easy to infer from the feats we are shown.

Vermoud doesn't even seem to be injured at all during the tournament. Is he the strongest GoD? Maybe, maybe not. He was probably just playing possum most of the time, but who knows? I'm not one to make assumptions.

He was playing possum and surprise attacking people, which isn't the same situation Beerus was in because he had to fend for himself against all the other Hakaishin for half the match.

Not talking about Vegeta, who went Blue without the ritual only in the anime anyway. Whis onlu suggested the Hakaishin job to Galu after seeing godlike performance against Beerus, so pre-Whis training Beerus would be of a similar plateau.

I've already went over this. We know nothing about what Beerus went through or even how old he was at the time Whis found him.

I mean, hell. Jiren may or may not be gifted, yet look how strong he became.

We don't know how old Jiren is or how strong that "demon" that took his master's life was. But for the sake of argument, let's say he is much older than Freeza (which fits with Toyotaro's concept art of Vermoud quitting the Pride Troopers [probably within Jiren's lifetime]). Then it's clear that Jiren trained way longer than 40 years. The oldest confirmed mortal other than Babidi and Boo would be Hit, so Beerus could have been training for a thousand years by the time he was recruited as Hakaishin-in-training. And the fact that his brother is also Hakaishin suggests both had the potential to get absurdly strong. They aren't lacking in potential, but they needed to train for ages to bring it to the surface. That's why 40 years, while massively longer than the 4 months, isn't too out of left field. Freeza didn't have any potential unlocks in my rewrite, he didn't have any rituals to aid him, he just trained and injected himself with drugs to unlock his Golden form. Goku's 40 years of training and getting massively haxed through Zenkais and rituals ain't the same as Freeza just doing RoSaT training.

To be honest, I made the duration 40 years because it's a multiple of 4 and seemed like a strong number to suggest he trained his ass off. I didn't give it too much thought. But considering the apparent duration of Beerus or Champa's training to reach Hakaishin tier, 40 years isn't an eternity anyway and Freeza didn't benefit from a god ritual or Whis' supervision.

Why not just give Freeza his version of a god ritual? It would give a good reason for him getting massively stronger, further add to God Ki (now that Saiyans aren't the only guys with it) and actually flesh out the Super Saiyan Blue and Golden Form dynamic.

Because if he had the option to use the god ritual before his death then it makes it triply autistic that he didn't attempt it in his previous life. And it'd seem convenient as hell that he just somehow learned of it around the time he was revived. That's why I had Freeza maximize his power and then unlock his God form through ki altering drugs.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm intellectually dishonest yet all I'm doing is simply interpreting what the story directly tells us rather than making assumptions to fit an unfounded idea. If you truly believe getting stunned by an opponent for a few seconds amounts to a huge disadvantage in power, then we will forever be at an impasse.

You're still not providing a good argument on Beerus being a prodigy since birth, unless you secretly have a spin off manga from Toriyama detailing his early life. You could say it's due to DBS shitty writing, whatever, but Goku achieved mastery of UI before Beerus ever did. That's just what happened.

It honestly doesn't matter. I just think 40 years is too much, but to each his own.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'm intellectually dishonest yet all I'm doing is simply interpreting what the story directly tells us rather than making assumptions to fit an unfounded idea. If you truly believe getting stunned by an opponent for a few seconds amounts to a huge disadvantage in power, then we will forever be at an impasse.

Because an opponent who can blitz you, disorient you with one punch and use you as a decoy before other Hakaishin can react wouldn't fight evenly with you or need to produce a universe buster to counter your own attack. That's why I believe the gap has widened since their last fight. Not to mention Champa considered it lucky that the match was called off, while Beerus was somehow less injured than him. The gap isn't small at all, not as small as in the flashback fight at least.

You're still not providing a good argument on Beerus being a prodigy since birth, unless you secretly have a spin off manga from Toriyama detailing his early life. You could say it's due to DBS shitty writing, whatever, but Goku achieved mastery of UI before Beerus ever did. That's just what happened.

The fact that someone as lazy and obese as Champa can end up on Hakaishin tier tells me that genetics played a part in them getting so strong. Maybe they're not prodigies to the same extent that Freeza was, but they are still probably gifted (seeing as only 12 people in all the universes become Hakaishin) and took much longer than 40 years to achieve said pinnacle. By comparison, Freeza achieving Blue tier with 4 months of offscreen training with Zarbon tier fags to aid him is beyond stupid, and opens a bunch of cans of worms. The most head-scratching one being how absurdly haxed he'd get if he actually trained with Whis. Same with Gohan and Broly really, but that's why there's so much controversy over the Gohan vs. Kefla fight and why people treat Broly as a meme.

The UI thing is just due to shitty writing, and AT apparently didn't even detail how it was achieved in his rough draft considering that the way Galu achieved it differs between the anime and manga.

 

[Hector]

In my DBS Rewritten fanfic, I fixed it by simply having all strong fighters (Saiyans, Piccolo) being absent from Earth for one reason or the other during Freeza's invasion.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Because if he had the option to use the god ritual before his death then it makes it triply autistic that he didn't attempt it in his previous life. And it'd seem convenient as hell that he just somehow learned of it around the time he was revived. That's why I had Freeza maximize his power and then unlock his God form through ki altering drugs.

Goku and Vegeta didn't know about the god ritual, neither did any of the Saiyans for thousands of years - why would Freeza know of his in his first life?. The Saiyans also had to be taught about their god ritual by the strongest God in all of Universe 7. For a variety of reasons, I don't think its particularly less convenient for him to learn of a potential God ritual, Freeza's forces were after all observing Earth for all these years.

And Dragon Ball has always had convenient power ups in reserve for its villains and heroes when the plot needs them. We've just gotten so used to them that it seems normal now,

 

[Papasmurf]

Because if he had the option to use the god ritual before his death then it makes it triply autistic that he didn't attempt it in his previous life. And it'd seem convenient as hell that he just somehow learned of it around the time he was revived. That's why I had Freeza maximize his power and then unlock his God form through ki altering drugs.

Goku and Vegeta didn't know about the god ritual, neither did any of the Saiyans for thousands of years - why would Freeza know of his in his first life?. The Saiyans also had to be taught about their god ritual by the strongest God in all of Universe 7. For a variety of reasons, I don't think its particularly less convenient for him to learn of a potential God ritual, Freeza's forces were after all observing Earth for all these years.

But how would Freeza learn of some God legend, that he didn't know in his previous life? Making that plausible is a tall task. The SSJG ritual wouldn't work since it requires Saiyans, and even if you assume he needs like 5 evil lizard monsters like himself to turn Golden, where the hell were such beings when he needed them for his previous invasion of Earth? Its not like Freeza had an aversion to having help when he brought his father along for his revenge.

All questions that are far easier to avoid by having him just train for an assload of time, like in my rewrite.

And Dragon Ball has always had convenient power ups in reserve for its villains and heroes when the plot needs them. We've just gotten so used to them that it seems normal now,

Until about volume 30 of the original manga most were explainable enough though. DBZ always had huge power ups, but it acknowledged when characters' powers changed and it wasn't by magnitudes of hundreds or millions of times like in Super with shitty reasoning to back it up like Gohan training for a day with Piccolo and fighting in the ToP to get to Blue tier or the infamous 4-month hax. I wrote this rewrite, because I want DBS to live up to the original 42 volumes (specifically, the good parts of it - before the androids and Babidi/Boo). The only thing salvageable about Super is that 12 universes creates more possibilities for world building.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

But how would Freeza learn of some God legend, that he didn't know in his previous life? Making that plausible is a tall task. The SSJG ritual wouldn't work since it requires Saiyans, and even if you assume he needs like 5 evil lizard monsters like himself to turn Golden, where the hell were such beings when he needed them for his previous invasion of Earth? Its not like Freeza had an aversion to having help when he brought his father along for his revenge.

All questions that are far easier to avoid by having him just train for an assload of time, like in my rewrite.

I personally think that having Freeza find out about a potential God ritual works just as well as him somehow stumbling on the ROSAT on another world. Many of your complaints can be applied to your own one, why hadn't Freeza noticed this ROSAT before? In his potentially centuries of life and his galaxy spanning empire - where he knew of the god of destruction and even buu - why didn't he know of this ROSAT? Why didn't Freeza show up to Namek having trained in this ROSAT for 40 years so he could deal with the heroes on Namek?

You either have to suspend your disbelief a bit, or put a lot more leg work into making an explanation work. Especially considering all of these ideas put into this thread are pretty vague.

Until about volume 30 of the original manga most were explainable enough though. DBZ always had huge power ups, but it acknowledged when characters' powers changed and it wasn't by magnitudes of hundreds or millions of times like in Super with shitty reasoning to back it up like Gohan training for a day with Piccolo and fighting in the ToP to get to Blue tier or the infamous 4-month hax. I wrote this rewrite, because I want DBS to live up to the original 42 volumes (specifically, the good parts of it - before the androids and Babidi/Boo). The only thing salvageable about Super is that 12 universes creates more possibilities for world building.

What about the power up Goku got in the King Piccolo arc? Or Ultimate Gohan's potential unlock, or the elder Guru's power up? Dragon Ball has a long, very long history in fact of just handing out power ups to its heroes. The days of Roshi and actual on screening training died after the Red Ribbon Army arc. Hell, I'd say BOG is the most egregious of them all with Super Saiyan God being the heroes holding hands. No questions asked.

I would argue that Freeza getting his own god ritual would actually fit the trend that DBZ itself set. You could have some funky old Kai pop up with a bone to pick, who'd do some funky old magic on Freeza. Or you could make Freeza's god ritual to get god Ki a whole ordeal so its at least enjoyable.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

What about the power up Goku got in the King Piccolo arc? Or Ultimate Gohan's potential unlock, or the elder Guru's power up? Dragon Ball has a long, very long history in fact of just handing out power ups to its heroes. The days of Roshi and actual on screening training died after the Red Ribbon Army arc. Hell, I'd say BOG is the most egregious of them all with Super Saiyan God being the heroes holding hands. No questions asked.

The Choshinsui required someone to have perfectly honed strength in body, mind and will as stated by Karin, so it's not something just any strong martial artist could drink for a boost. Rou-Dai Kaioshin's ritual required sitting still and concentrating fro 10-15 hours, though I do agree the difficulty of this beyond boredom should've been present in Gohan. The Grand Elder's potential unlock is the most cheap of the three, but narrative-wise even that is made up for by him needing to view someone as worthy of it and Kuririn/Gohan were in quite a tense situation to make it seem earned. Were these boosts preferable to actual new training regimes? No, but I'd say they were far from just instant unearned plot boosts either.

 

[Papasmurf]

I personally think that having Freeza find out about a potential God ritual works just as well as him somehow stumbling on the ROSAT on another world. Many of your complaints can be applied to your own one, why hadn't Freeza noticed this ROSAT before? In his potentially centuries of life and his galaxy spanning empire - where he knew of the god of destruction and even buu - why didn't he know of this ROSAT?

All empires change in territory. They lose territory, and they may gain territory even if their overall size decreases as they decline. Let's say the Roman Empire controlled most of the Mediterranean like in history, lost most of its land, but conquered a strip of land it didn't have in its prime - and it turned out to be abundant in gold and silver - making them somehow richer than when they held more territory. It's fully possible.

Same logic here. The RoSaT planet could have been discovered after Freeza's death, but due to how perilous it was to undertake a journey to an unexplored dimension (as well as people who did go in rapidly aging) none of the Freeza soldiers made use of it.

Why didn't Freeza show up to Namek having trained in this ROSAT for 40 years so he could deal with the heroes on Namek?

The heroes on Namek at the start of the arc: 1500~24,000 in power

Freeza: Over 100 million

There would have been literally zero necessity. The heroes caught up to Freeza and his men through Zenkai abuse over a period of days.

You either have to suspend your disbelief a bit, or put a lot more leg work into making an explanation work. Especially considering all of these ideas put into this thread are pretty vague.

I had the above explanations in my mind before, I just didn't go into full detail because that'd have made my post look like some expert treatise and make people lose interest in reading such a wall of text.

Until about volume 30 of the original manga most were explainable enough though. DBZ always had huge power ups, but it acknowledged when characters' powers changed and it wasn't by magnitudes of hundreds or millions of times like in Super with shitty reasoning to back it up like Gohan training for a day with Piccolo and fighting in the ToP to get to Blue tier or the infamous 4-month hax. I wrote this rewrite, because I want DBS to live up to the original 42 volumes (specifically, the good parts of it - before the androids and Babidi/Boo). The only thing salvageable about Super is that 12 universes creates more possibilities for world building.

What about the power up Goku got in the King Piccolo arc? Or Ultimate Gohan's potential unlock, or the elder Guru's power up? Dragon Ball has a long, very long history in fact of just handing out power ups to its heroes. The days of Roshi and actual on screening training died after the Red Ribbon Army arc. Hell, I'd say BOG is the most egregious of them all with Super Saiyan God being the heroes holding hands. No questions asked.

I would argue that Freeza getting his own god ritual would actually fit the trend that DBZ itself set. You could have some funky old Kai pop up with a bone to pick, who'd do some funky old magic on Freeza. Or you could make Freeza's god ritual to get god Ki a whole ordeal so its at least enjoyable.

There were still training chapters later in DB, such as Piccolo training Gohan or Popo training Galu. But AT just didn't want to kill the pacing in a manga he only produces 13~15 pages for every week when his job is to keep things engaging so Jump sells more copies.

The steroids water required one to risk certain death and Gohan's potential unlock required one to train with the Z sword until breaking it, and it was already prophesized to contain the key to the ultimate power. I didn't like the BoG holding hands thing of course, but it at least got the "this is something we can never achieve on our own" thing clear enough with how Galu was dissatisfied with the fact that his own self-training was not enough to ever attain the stage. Then Freeza, a guy who was fodder in the early Cell arc, trains offscreen for a few months and is somehow above it when he didn't have the bright idea to train for 4 days after having his body literally shredded in defeat. That's why there's much more criticism toward FnF than the above (admittedly semi-egregious) instances of cheap power ups.

The very best way to give Freeza god ki without assloads of training or ki altering drugs would be if he somehow became chummy with a Makaioshin and he drew out Freeza's potential and made him a god, but like hell AT would remember old concepts he laid out for the SEG

 

[Future Warrior]

I think I prefer Freeza just training to obtain that power rather than some kind of easy ritual.

Also, I wanted to add that I don't think introducing SSB in this arc is necessary. SSG could still be the limit of their power at this point, which makes Golden Freeza being on par with them more easy to swallow.

 

[Papasmurf]

I think I prefer Freeza just training to obtain that power rather than some kind of easy ritual.

Also, I wanted to add that I don't think introducing SSB in this arc is necessary. SSG could still be the limit of their power at this point, which makes Golden Freeza being on par with them more easy to swallow.

Yeah AT seemingly only came up with SSJB because people either didn't like SSJG's skinny Kaioken-like design, or because he was influenced to create a new form by Bandai and/or Toei.

I mostly retained SSJB because I recently played the Kakarot DLC (which at least explained how the Saiyans achieved it) and because I wanted Vegeta to have the spotlight while keeping Galu semi-relevant in the end, so I made them finish the battle as SSJB and SSJG respectively. In retrospect SSJB really isn't necessary until U6 or FT arc really.

 

[Future Warrior]

It's nice that you mentioned Kakarot because in that version it seems like SSB is just simply superior to Golden Freeza in every way with or without the stamina drain. I honestly like how they retold that story.