Gap between Cell and Goku. What do you think it is?

[Papasmurf]

He probably increased his effort after Gohan kicked him in my opinion. He was noted to be composed against Goku and wasn't taking Gohan seriously at the start for sure.

 

[SSJ2]

The whole situation is weird to me now that I reread it.

Cell speeds up and is able to pound Gohan, and even thinks he "overdid it". Gohan wasn't harmed, but kept getting pounded. Then he randomly outspeeds Cell and lands a kick.

I think up to that point, Cell only raised speed. I do think he raised his power after getting kicked, in which you suggest he raised his effort level. After the kick, Gohan has no defense for anything Cell does and gets overpowered when trying to save his friends.

 

[Papasmurf]

Well I mean, I'd entertain the thought of Cell raising his ki if he flared up his aura like he did after regenerating earlier, but he remains auraless the entire time the Cell Juniors are rampaging, so if anything increased, it'd be his effort imo

 

[SSJ2]

This is a confusing scenario. So you think he was stronger than Gohan but was holding back ki?

 

[Papasmurf]

I think Cell was playing around to some extent before he said he'll get Gohan enraged no matter what. Freeza was originally not faster than Vegeta in his initial 4th form, but kept raising his effort as he pounded him and Goku arrived, etc. Something like that.

 

[SSJ2]

That's a pretty good analogy. Don't think I have any argument aside from agree to disagree. I think there are two possibilities.

1. Cell was weaker than Gohan, then powers up after Gohan kicks him down.
2. Cell was the same level, but exerted more effort as the fight went on.

Both have more or less the same outcome.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, I lean towards the latter because even small power ups like Gohan's power increasing before he snaps are noted in this fight. Cell doesn't seem to greatly change his ki during the fight until he goes full power.

 

[Yoshi]

Goku: 100
Cell: 120
Gohan: 140

 

[Victorious]

I think Cell upped his power a bit when he upped his speed vs Gohan. If not then he would have been far too ahead of Goku in terms of power in the first place and the fight would have been over a lot quicker. Basically I think Cell is totally on balance during his fight with 100% MSSJ Goku and MSSJ Kid Gohan. So for that to be the case, his power would have had to increase with his speed when he mentions the increase against Gohan.

And yeah, Freeza did up his speed vs Vegeta but he never stated his power upped to match it. Yet we know he has the power to punt away a planet buster from Vegeta, so likely Freeza's power went up a lot when he made that increase in speed statement.

 

[ahill1]

Gohan blocking Cell's kick:

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Gohan blocking Goten's kick:

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Gohan seems to have more problem defending himself against Goten than he did against Cell. You could argue that Gohan could have underastimated Goten and not Cell, sure, but based on their sparring session later I like to think that Goten is really that close to Gohan.

Based on this, the gap between Perfect Cell (vs Goku) and Kid Gohan is bigger than the gap between Goten and Teen Gohan IMO.

 

[Six Trails]

Going by some people's logic, Gohan is multifolds above Goten; so therefore, Gohan must also be multifolds above Cell. :elmo

 

[ahill1]

Going by some people's logic, Gohan is multifolds above Goten; so therefore, Gohan must also be multifolds above Cell. :elmo

Lol. But do you agree that Goten was closer to Teen Gohan than Cell (vs Goku) was to Kid Gohan?

 

[Six Trails]

Yeah that sounds about right. I have Goten at 90% of Gohan, and I'd say Cell was a bit below 90% of Gohan.

 

[ahill1]

I have:

Perfect Cell (vs Goku) at 83% of Kid Gohan

and

Goten at 94% of Teen Gohan.

 

[Animelover5487]

Gohan was still unable to escape when the Cell Juniors were fighting the Z Senshi. If Gohan and Cell were on par, I don't think Cell would have knocked him down so easily.

I think it's perfectly logical for them to be equal. A fight between them would end in a bloody stalemate in which Gohan didn't want. That aside, Cell's attacks didn't really do any damage besides keep him away from the Cell Juniors the moment Gohan actually fought back it was Cell's back that was on the ground as I believe a few users have already pointed out.

 

[SSJ2]

Why would they not do damage? Majin Vegeta was pretty damaged after battling Goku. If they were truly even, Cell's attacks wouldn't be doing nothing to Gohan, especially when Cell himself thought he had killed Gohan with one attack.

 

[Papasmurf]

Not to mention that Gohan fought evenly with Dabra and was noted to have used up a lot of strength afterwards. The damage meter didn't increase too much, but that's more to be attributed to Gohan being weaker and a Super Saiyan 1 (though the debate of his form is another matter).

 

[Tapion]

Let's not transform into a "Gohan's state vs. Dabura" debate. I think that i'm the only one who thinks that he was a SSj2, but let's drop it.

I have Goten at 80% of Gohan. He was able to equal Gohan in a sparring match, make him sweat, land a few good hits and even force him into the air. That counts for something, and Gohan said that Goten probably would be able to surpass him soon if he didn't train, so 80% is good for me. But i can accept 90% without any problem. The Daizenshuu states that Goten is as strong as Gohan, but i think that it meant potential.

Well, these are my battle powers
SSj Goten - 100
SSj Gohan - 120

Now, talking about Cell vs. Gohan. I think that Cell didn't increase his power any bit, only increased speed. As i said before, Gohan was able to block a hit like it was nothing, but Cell was kicked and was in the ground instantly.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I thought everyone has Goku 88% of Supressed Cell.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

These days, i go with...

MSSJ Goku- 70
Cell (pre max)- 80
MSSJ Gohan- 90
Cell (max)- 120
SSJ2 Gohan- 180