Gap between Goku and Gohan @ Cell Games

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Where did I agree with EV there? lol
 

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:facepalm

Dawg, I was fucking around. Check the post I made before that.
 

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This is how I feel the numbers should. By my Iron Right, it shall be fact.

Super Saiyan Gohan 125
Perfect Cell (Powered Up, True Power) 120
Perfect Cell (Powered Up, Holding Back) 100
Super Saiyan Goku 90

Read it and weep haters.
 

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For doing as good as he did and thinking Goku looked like a lil' beotch.
 

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So you think Gohan at 125 wouldn't be able to do those things, but at 135 can?
 

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He could at 125 for sure. I like 135 for a bit more breathing room for the Boo Saga because you have to fit Vegeta in there between Teen Gohan and Kid Gohan.
 

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Which is exactly what I was getting at.

Generally people bump up the gap of Goku and Gohan solely because of the Buu Saga implications. However, if you go by the rage boost implications in the Buu Saga, there is no need to do so at the Cell Game.

I found it very interesting. But yea, if you don't go by the rage boost, you will have to stretch a bit more than you would normally.
 

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P, do you still feel the gap between SPC and ssj2 Gohan was the same as the one between Perfect Cell [true speed] and ssj Gohan?
 

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Yes I always liked that gap. Around 96% or so.
 

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I generally go with SPC being at 90% of kid Gohan SSJ2.

Since you think Gohan SSJ > Cell (true speed), then how do you explain this?

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Cell seemed to be able to kick Gohan without too much problems, when Gohan was really trying to fight.
 

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Quite easily actually.

When we watch two people of equal talent and ability fight in real life we aware of certain realities of the fighter. If the fighter's mentality is not in it, if the fighter is not aggressive enough, if he's too calm, if he's not relaxed enough, it can cause major, major issues for the fighter and lead to him getting demolished.

Gohan literally does not want to fight. He is putting none of the effort forward required to do so. The only time he does so is when he gets mad and drops Cell on his butt. To me, that's the only time Gohan shows his true self as a Super Saiyan and what he is capable of against an opponent of equal value.

If that somewhat angry Gohan continued to fight Cell, it would be a good battle. Gohan simply does not have the stomach for battle. He is actually trying to negotiate his way out the fight. It isn't until enraged Gohan comes out do we see a warrior. He has the power, but not the heart Goku has, which is exactly what Piccolo talks about.
 

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I never found arguments convincing to put MSSJ Gohan > Cell [increased Speed]...Cell went from getting all his blows easily dodged to catching him immediately when he increased his speed.
 

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Cell's attacks were still nearly 100% ineffective. All they did was move Gohan around. Gohan was definitely still above Cell power-wise.
 

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p123 said:
Quite easily actually.

When we watch two people of equal talent and ability fight in real life we aware of certain realities of the fighter. If the fighter's mentality is not in it, if the fighter is not aggressive enough, if he's too calm, if he's not relaxed enough, it can cause major, major issues for the fighter and lead to him getting demolished.

Gohan literally does not want to fight. He is putting none of the effort forward required to do so. The only time he does so is when he gets mad and drops Cell on his butt. To me, that's the only time Gohan shows his true self as a Super Saiyan and what he is capable of against an opponent of equal value.

If that somewhat angry Gohan continued to fight Cell, it would be a good battle. Gohan simply does not have the stomach for battle. He is actually trying to negotiate his way out the fight. It isn't until enraged Gohan comes out do we see a warrior. He has the power, but not the heart Goku has, which is exactly what Piccolo talks about.
But I'm talking about when Gohan had the will to fight and tried desperately to stop Cell from making hos friends suffer and got easily kicked around the block.
 

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He still approached like a bitch, he wasn't battle ready. Cell clearly isn't strong enough to whoop Gohan hand to hand, that's been confirmed.
 
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