Goku, Gohan, Kefla

[Keedounan]

Since statements can seem contradictory, I prefer to look at it from a purely narrative point of view. And in that sense, I think it instantly becomes clear that neither Gohan or Kefla were intended to be stronger than Goku.

Goku is considered to be Universe 7's best fighter, with Vegeta being on par with him. At no point this vision changed in the latest chapter. If anything, the fact that Gohan stepped in to fight Kefla in order to allow Goku to continue to fight the strongest on the ring without interference (just like in anime) further supports it. In the end, even Kefla acknowledged how strong Universe 7 was based on being incapable of beating Gohan.

One could think that Krillin's statement is questionable, but if one disregard that it doesn't make sense from a powerscaling point of view (after all, Toei and Toyotaro gave up, so why should we care anymore ), it actually doesn't contradict anything. Kale herself was never established to be at a level in which she could be a threat to Goku and Vegeta (when she attacked them, they were startled, but otherwise largely unharmed). And while she did beat up Freeza, it's made clear that it was because he underestimated her, instead of not being strong enough.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Gohan could have just stepped-up to fight Kefla because he knows Goku is a battle-junkie and wants to the fight the highest, everyone knew right from the beginning Goku had no chance in hell of defeating Jiren the way he currently was so Goku reserving energy really means nothing unless he unlocks something new, which wasn't counted-on at that point.

 

[Keedounan]

Gohan could have just stepped-up to fight Kefla because he knows Goku is a battle-junkie and wants to the fight the highest, everyone knew right from the beginning Goku had no chance in hell of defeating Jiren the way he currently was so Goku reserving energy really means nothing unless he unlocks something new, which wasn't counted-on at that point.

He did say that he counted on Goku for the rest, though. That means he thinks that, somehow, Goku is their best chance to win.

 

[Pyro]

They always rely on Goku and think he's the best. This was mentioned multiple times during the Android Saga even when Goku wasn't the strongest. It's just how the group functions.

 

[Keedounan]

They always rely on Goku and think he's the best. This was mentioned multiple times during the Android Saga even when Goku wasn't the strongest. It's just how the group functions.

That's actually true...but still. One would think at least someone would note that Kale or Gohan surpassed the MSSJB-tier if that were the case.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, to further on what KP stated, in the BoG movie they were all happy upon seeing Goku arriving at the battlefield, yet Kame-Sen'nin had already established Vegeta considerably surpassed Goku upon getting angry at Beerus, and they all saw how even that was useless against the Hakaishin. This also seems to conform with future Bulma's statement, in which she said Goku has a way of giving everyone confidence in the most hopeless moments, so it seems they seem to treat Goku as the one who has a shot at fixing certain situations even when he isn't there battle power wise. They also saw how Goku's attacks weren't connecting against Jiren, so I think there's more going on than simply Goku's CSSJB being up there battle power wise.

 

[Future Warrior]

Since statements can seem contradictory, I prefer to look at it from a purely narrative point of view. And in that sense, I think it instantly becomes clear that neither Gohan or Kefla were intended to be stronger than Goku.

Goku is considered to be Universe 7's best fighter, with Vegeta being on par with him. At no point this vision changed in the latest chapter. If anything, the fact that Gohan stepped in to fight Kefla in order to allow Goku to continue to fight the strongest on the ring without interference (just like in anime) further supports it. In the end, even Kefla acknowledged how strong Universe 7 was based on being incapable of beating Gohan.

One could think that Krillin's statement is questionable, but if one disregard that it doesn't make sense from a powerscaling point of view (after all, Toei and Toyotaro gave up, so why should we care anymore ), it actually doesn't contradict anything. Kale herself was never established to be at a level in which she could be a threat to Goku and Vegeta (when she attacked them, they were startled, but otherwise largely unharmed). And while she did beat up Freeza, it's made clear that it was because he underestimated her, instead of not being strong enough.

No doubt narratively speaking Goku is the strongest and Toyotaro would think the same but I think the problem is that he didn't exactly portray that as well he should have which is why everyone is so split on the matter. Honestly I blame last chapter for being the jumbled mess that it was.

 

[Pyro]

They always rely on Goku and think he's the best. This was mentioned multiple times during the Android Saga even when Goku wasn't the strongest. It's just how the group functions.

That's actually true...but still. One would think at least someone would note that Kale or Gohan surpassed the MSSJB-tier if that were the case.

I don't find it completely necessary if feats are there to show us that it's true (or a strong possibility). Sometimes there will be instances where a direct comparison isn't made, and we only have feats to rely on.

 

[GSM123]

I think you're confused. The only thing that's ''hyped'' is Gohan's potential not Goku, that's how the line is meant to be interpreted. However the fact that it's never said he was already more powerful speaks volumes.

Also, I'm surprised it's never brought up that after Krillin says Gohan can possibly become stronger than Goku he would have been contradicted by Beerus or Whis by saying ''No, he already surpassed him''.

You're right. The statement was directed to Gohan, saying he could get as good as Goku one day. That by extension nulifies the reason i brought up those two statements from Z as well.

I think i'm just gonna keep a neutral position. Vados saying Kale could make the tournament be the least of their worries despite Kefla, who's > Kale, being still weaker than Goku is pretty contradictory.