Goku vs Freeza

[ahill1]

I don't think that works. I think AT messed up here. Here's how it should be once you remove the power levels.

1) Ridiculously low suppression incapable of defeating Ginyu Force.
2) A power substantially superior to Ginyu Force.
3) A power even better than that.
4) A power of quickly taking out the previous power.
5) Full Power



So as you can see, Goku vs Ginyu Round 2 should technically be fought at a level much higher than Round 1. Why? Goku says he will take out Ginyu quickly.

Unless you want to speculate that Ginyu is able to decipher that Goku wasn't going all out because the power he showed him wouldn't be capable of taking out their initial powers?

Make sense? This is some deep shit here man wtf haha

Yea, I think Goku definitely increased his power while fighting Ginyu, but should not be all that power up IMO. Ginyu estimated Goku's full power to be 85,000, so the power Goku displayed before should be considerably below 85,000. I would think Ginyu is expecting that Goku is hidding a considerably power up to fight Freeza.

 

[p123]

Exactly. Ginyu seems to suggest he's intelligent for becoming aware of this. Goku also implies that Ginyu is crafty. So I doubt it's the reason I suggested. What makes more sense is this...


Goku Full Power >> Goku Powered Up >> Goku Initial


Which is a numerical impossibility with AT's numbers, which means I'm going to completely discard them with this situation.

Another issue in the Freeza Saga I don't like is how tight the Cui-Zarbon numbers feel. There is just no room there.

Vegeta should be equals with Cui or perhaps a bit behind. Their interactions seem to give off that feeling imo.

Dodoria should be a full level above both of them and then Zarbon a fair bit above that. Vegeta of course a level above that.

I've discussed this with you before. I much prefer something like this...


Vegeta 27,000
Zarbon 24,000
Dodoria 22,000
Cui 18,000
Vegeta 17,000

I think that holds truer to the statements imo.

I haven't had time to put it together, but I'd have to say the Ginyu, Goku stuff would play out like this...



Goku ( Initial ) 100
~ Powered Up 125
~ Full Power 150

Ginyu ( Initial ) 100
~ Powered Up 125
~ Full Power 200


I would say those would have to be the minimum numbers. For Goku to be able to finish Ginyu ( Initial ) quickly, he'd have to be a good deal stronger. And then to have a substantial power up in his back pocket has to be quite large as well.

 

[Zippy]

Wasnt goku at a disadvantage even at the begining (against ginyu)

 

[p123]

Yes, I am trying to simplify, but I'd probably put a slight power advantage for Ginyu for both rounds. In the second round, Goku is faster or at least his flight speed is.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta being that close to Zarbon is ass.

 

[p123]

Huh?

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta 27,000
Zarbon 24,000
Dodoria 22,000

This is a load of junk.

 

[p123]

Why do you say that?

 

[SSJ2]

When does Zarbon demonstrate that he is that close to Vegeta? He did not even make contact with him.

 

[p123]

I have Zarbon at 88% of Vegeta. How much further away would you like me to have him? He looks to be in that " just out of rivaling range " kind of level. Similar to Goku vs Cell. You think Zarbon should be even further away from Vegeta than that? How much further?

 

[SSJ2]

Goku vs Cell was closer than Vegeta vs Zarbon, and Goku vs Cell still is still a big gap. Goku was outmatched in every way, but he still managed a few hits here and there. Zarbon managed nothing, and Vegeta was even smiling as he dealt with him. It should be more like a 1.17x gap.

 

[p123]

Goku managed to avoid one attack and perhaps land one kick, which I'm not sure even landed, gotta check the anime on that.

 

[ahill1]

Why ? I think Zarbon being 88% of Vegeta is so perfect.

 

[SSJ2]

So being 88% of your opponent means that you can't touch them? Then does that make a stomp gap 1.15x? That's way too tight.

 

[Zippy]

Zarbon can still be at 23k and everthing is alright, i never really thought too big of a dfference between zarbon and dodoria more that vegeta decided to take care of em both in different ways.
No trouble either way, zarbon may hav lasted longer due to whatever lead he has over dodoria, that and the fact vegeta didnt seem to go as ruthless on him. (Putting him in a hold and such when it came to zarbon it was mostly kicking around)

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Zarbon's speed seems to suck ass based on what Vegeta said.

 

[Zippy]

Maybe vegeta's speed is just too good?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Goku managed to avoid one attack and perhaps land one kick, which I'm not sure even landed, gotta check the anime on that.

Why would you check the anime?

 

[p123]

To see their opinion on it.

 

[Kyo]

Damn, Goku SSJ is way stronger than I thought, since this goes for his base power too.

Where do you usually have him?

I tend to end up with 450~500 mil or so.