How about we abondon...

[Fantastische Hure]

...power-scale for the humans in the anime, in-favour of just saying that they rely on techniques and stuff? None of it makes any sense for the humans especially.

As for the manga let's wait until then maybe. That'll be laid-out much more clearly probably.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

Even though I think Android saga humans could cream Frieza, DBS is just like a special child.

 

[ekrolo2]

I'd take the idea of strategy and tactics working if the show actually made that it's "fighting system". The problem is that for every one fight that's about skill, there's five that are all about who's dick can power up to a higher number. Fuck, one of the most recent episodes had an entire TEAM use strategy & tactics against Goku & Vegeta only for the latter two to kick their shit in through a Z style raw power up!

I also don't get how an ant creating a great strategy is gonna save them from someone who can literally snap their necks just by looking at them. 10 caveman with a strategy devised by the son of Paton and Rommel aren't gonna die any less horrible when Master Chiefs super powered EVERYTHING lets him rip them all to pieces.

 

[SSJ2]

Or the other universes are just straight trash.

 

[Papasmurf]

There's no semblance of scaling in Super beyond who gets to be more relevant than the others, I think it's simpler to accept that

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, the anime makes no sense.

Master Roshi's opponent even said something like "he can keep-up with my speed?" or something like that in a surprised voice and Master Roshi even admitted that the opponent was stronger than him, but somehow that can all be evened-out by skill.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

There's no semblance of scaling in Super beyond who gets to be more relevant than the others, I think it's simpler to accept that

Manga makes some more sense than the anime that's for sure.

 

[Papasmurf]

The manga's still pr lame with that MSSJB and Hakai nonsense, and Vegeta randomly being above Goku's SSJ3 as a SSJ2 without explanation. Though I agree, the Super anime is as logical as Cell getting headbutted off a plane by Kuririn while the manga is at least Boo saga tier

 

[ekrolo2]

The manga has a big fuck up with the whole SS Black situation and Vegeta (apparently) keeping his boosted SS2 permanently. The anime smartly made Rose his regular SS and just handwaved it's different appearance as a result of Zamasu hijacking Goku's body.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Who knows Vegeta might have trained.

 

[Papasmurf]

Plus I don't understand why it was so hard for Toyotaro to explain SSJ2 Vegeta got some additional power up when he had no problems doing so for Trunks' FP SSJ2.

 

[Papasmurf]

Who knows Vegeta might have trained.

He got greater gains training for a day with Trunks than a year in the RosaT

 

[SSJ2]

I need to reread the recent manga arc, I forget just how bad it is.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, logically it doesn't make that much sense but at-least that's still an explanation which is more than anyone can say for the Anime. In the anime you are just left to assume a lot of shit, because the writers or Toei couldn't be bothered to explain.

And we got stuff like them saying before the tournament that they have hit their limits training, but they obviously grow much stronger even afterward somehow.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I need to reread the recent manga arc, I forget just how bad it is.

Manga was mostly better than the anime version.

 

[SSJ2]

I thought the entire fight was better in the anime. The manga was just so asstrash. At least there weren't two million Zamasu heads "becoming the universe" or w/e that nonsense was.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I thought the entire fight was better in the anime. The manga was just so asstrash. At least there weren't two million Zamasu heads "becoming the universe" or w/e that nonsense was.

I thought the finale with Trunks ending Zamasu was a great visual, but the manga didn't do bad either. They had done quite a good job making the situation feel hopeless.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't recall the manga ending too well. Jedi Trunks in the anime was simply an abomination, however.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't recall the manga ending too well. Jedi Trunks in the anime was simply an abomination, however.

Might not have made much sense, but you got to admit. The ending just looked kewl as fack. Perfect setting, perfect music, perfect drama.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tbf if Goku couldn't surpass his "limit" he'd never have gotten stronger than Piccolo Daimao since the power unlock water allegedly brought him to his limits. But what's fucking retarded is that Goku and Vegeta made no great gains after FnF even after training for 3 years in the RoSaT and their powers suddenly skyrocketed like crazy as soon as it became plot convenient to do so - Vegeta making good enough gains to keep up with SSJR Black's movements as a SSJG despite getting butt whooped by pre-Rose Black, and Goku magically doing better than Vegeta POST ROSAT against Zamasu even without his CSSJB, plus knowing how to master SSJB despite never attempting it when the Zamasu's were kicking his ass while unfused.

CSSJB was probably even less logical and out of left field than SSJB Kaioken (although still better than the 10x version). Even the anime had the decency to explain it had a 10% rate of success. What drawback does CSSJB have aside from straining the body? It was fucking ridiculous to hide it for that long.