How Strong is Future Gohan?

[p123]

1) Then you'd have Gohan at 90% of Future 17. Which isn't completely wrong, but Gohan did lose him arm and he almost died. Depends on how you want to take that. You can get away with 90% and that would be totally fine when you factor in the infinite energy. It might be necessary to keep things tight as well if we are considering Vegeta a Super Saiyan in the future. So hold off on that. We need to check that out.

2) Future 17 is 92% of the Androids. Unless you think he knows he has no chance to take them both out, I don't see how this could work. Gohan seems to think he can win against two androids. He's got to be higher than that.

 

[Future Warrior]

Didn't Gohan say he might die fighting the androids and says farewell to Trunks?

 

[p123]

Yea, he knocks Trunks out as a precaution, knowing that Trunks is the last one left who has a chance to beat them in the future. Now, I'm not saying Gohan has a death wish here, but he's realistic with his chances. He clearly isn't hunting them down on his own to try to beat them, but he's also rushing in to fight them and logically knows he has to deal with two of them.

 

[Future Warrior]

Then It's best to lower Gohan and the Future Androids (40%)

SS Gohan (2 arms) - 400
SS Gohan (1 arm) - 540
17 (40%) - 480

Looks pretty legit if you ask me. 17 has a nice 1.2x advantage on Gohan, making his loss of arm more justifiable. It also makes Gohan's gains more significant.

 

[p123]

I think that's probably the tightest you can get. But I'd reverse it.

I'd feel more comfortable with the Androids being 83% of Gohan than vice versa. At least Gohan going into that situation is justified knowing he has to battle both of them. Unless of course, 18 is significantly weaker than 17 in this timeline as well...

Then you could run into nearly the exact same situation with Vegeta vs Zarbon/Dodoria. You could see why Vegeta wanted to get them alone, but also why if pushed, he might try to take them both head on. Hmmm...

The loss of the arm could be downplayed due to their infinite energy. Also, it does appear 17 is fighting Gohan one on one for both occasions.

 

[ChulpaBatman]

I think the anime expanded on the small manga special and made it much better. Vegeta being an SSJ does not directly contradict anything so its fine for him to be that strong. Gohan of course would have to be quite a bit ahead of Vegeta though with 2 arms if he witnessed the fight. I think the key thing here is Gohan is not able to sense the Androids Ki and he has not sensed Vegeta nor his father in more than a decade. So imo he really cant know exactly where he stands to those before him only where he stands on his performance based on the Androids.

Future 17: 100
1 Arm Gohan: 50
Future 17(less than half); 40
Gohan 2 Arms: 30
Future 17 vs Vegeta: 25
SSJ Vegeta: 22
Mecha Freeza: 20
Future Piccolo: 15

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Organic Freeza- 280
Namek Goku- 300
Mecha Freeza- 320
Alternate Trunks- 480
Alternate Gohan (1 arm)- 450
40% Alternate Seventeen- 400
Alternate Gohan (2 arms)- 360

 

[p123]

Eh, Vegeta and Piccolo had Gohan's power down pretty accurately after the 7 year gap after the Cell Game. So I'd think, not only did Gohan remember that level of power, but it was reminder to him frequently in his life over the remaining years. I'm sure he thought about that level a thousand times if Vegeta was indeed a Super Saiyan.


Withheld, try to include Ssj Vegeta in your charts from now on.

Also, everyone seems to be squeezing in this chain, but it doesn't seem implied...

Gohan 2 arms > Future 17 Suppressed > Gohan 1 arm

1 arm Gohan vs Future 17, which seemed to be one on one, played out so badly for Gohan that he lost his arm and 17 was impressed that he made it out alive. Could he be 90%? Sure. But is it really realistic for him to be getting so badly manhandled because of it? I'm not so sure.

Also, Gohan with 2 arms has to take on both androids. Trunks remarks how he's had to tangle with both of them, that two of them is the issue. I just don't get how this gap could be tight if they have any hope of winning at all. Taking two fighters out is no joke, you need a significant advantage.


I also like to think that Future 17 (Less than Half) fought with that same power when he killed the Z Team.

 

[Pyro]

Got your arrows the wrong way, bro.^

Gohan (2 arms) < suppressed 17 < Gohan (1 arm)

Gohan (1 arm) - 100
Supp. 17 - 85
Gohan (2 arms) - 65

I like that, and it lets Gohan improve a mighty 35% increase.

And if Veggie was a Super Saiyan in the future, I'd imagine he's weaker than 2-armed Gohan. Even in the TV special, Gohan doesn't really imply Vegeta was stronger.

 

[Void]

Should be more like post-training 1 arm Gohan >~ "Less than half" 17. He still questions if he can beat the androids, and makes sure Trunks is alive incase he loses. If "Less than half" 17 is 40-45%, then Gohan could be about 50%.

 

[Pyro]

Should be more like post-training 1 arm Gohan >~ "Less than half" 17. He still questions if he can beat the androids, and makes sure Trunks is alive incase he loses. If "Less than half" 17 is 40-45%, then Gohan could be about 50%.

I was taking into account 18 joining in.

 

[SSJ2]

Do you think Z Sword Gohan is that close to Fat Boo? @ Paladin

 

[p123]

No, Gohan questions if he can beat the androids. Plural, not singular.

 

[p123]

And KP, I feel that spacing is much more realistic.

Super Saiyan Trunks 650
Super Saiyan Gohan (1 arm) 600
Future 17 500
Super Saiyan Gohan 400
Super Saiyan Vegeta 350

Maybe something like this.

 

[Six Trails]

SS Goku - 25
Freeza - 24
King Cold - 20
Mecha Freeza - 27
SS Trunks (Mecha arc) - 45
SS Goku (Mecha arc) - 50
SS Future Gohan (2 arms) - 30
SS Future Gohan (1 arms) - 40
Future #17 (36%) - 36
Future #17 (100%) - 100

 

[p123]

How can Gohan hope to beat both 17 and 18 if he only has a 1.1x advantage? I don't think that makes sense.

Also, Trunks being 90% of Yardrat Goku? I don't see this as realistic. Sure, Goku said that Trunks wasn't giving him his all, but there was a huge gap in power in their sparring, even if we make Trunks 1.2x stronger than his sparring, it's still going to be much weaker. 80-85% is the max I'd give Trunks on Goku.

 

[Six Trails]

How can Gohan hope to beat both 17 and 18 if he only has a 1.1x advantage? I don't think that makes sense.

He didn't really seem too confident, and it even seemed like he knew that he was going to lose:

Also, Trunks being 90% of Yardrat Goku? I don't see this as realistic. Sure, Goku said that Trunks wasn't giving him his all, but there was a huge gap in power in their sparring, even if we make Trunks 1.2x stronger than his sparring, it's still going to be much weaker. 80-85% is the max I'd give Trunks on Goku.

I don't see why the gap needs to be so excessive.

 

[p123]

Gohan- "I've been training hard, you won't beat me this time. It's your turn to lose."

Sounds pretty confident to me.

80% of Goku is excessive? Goku made Trunks look like a noob.

 

[Void]

He said he had been training hard, but he had a back up plan ready in case he died. Plus he pretty much shits himself when 17 says he had been using less than half power. Gohan was clearly expecting to take on No. 17 and No. 18 around that "less than half power" level. He can't be very much higher than that.

 

[p123]

Exactly. Now you get it. On one hand, he feels he can beat them, on the other, he is cautious and doesn't want to risk Trunks. So you have to make both statements work. Not just one. 90% ain't cutting it imo, that is only taking into account one statement. You need two.

I can't imagine Cell showing up thinking he could take out 2 Goku's with the level they fought at.