How would Beerus compare to GT via Power-Scaling?

[kriss-]

Well... let's start off with Super Vegetto, who was wrecking Boohan. We'll roll with a 30x gap.

Vegetto
-Ssj 31,250
-SSj2 62,500
-SSj3 250,000

Boohan
-Full Power 1,000

Some things leading up to Planet M2:

a) Goku's Base form is stronger than General Rildo.
b) General Rildo's Base form is stronger than Boohan.
c) Goku turns Super Saiyan and Rildo undergoes two transformations, but still, he cannot win.
d) The multipliers for GT are as followed: SSj = 2.5x Base, SSj2 = 1.5x SSj, SSj3 = 3-4x SSj2, SSj4 = 10x SSj3 -or, a potential unlock.

Now we have:

Goku (Planet M2)
-Base 1,500
-Ssj 3,750

General Rildo
-Base 1,250
-Hyper 2,250
-Mecha 2,750

Boohan
-Full Power 1,000

Now we get into the Baby Arc and:

a) Goku is the same as he was on Planet M2, but now he can achieve Super Saiyan 4.
b) Super Baby Vegeta 1 is the first one to surpass Super Vegetto.
c) Majuub is capable of fighting with Super Baby Vegeta 2.

Goku
-Base 1,500
-Ssj 3,750
-SSj2 5,625
-SSj3 22,500
-SSj4 225,000

Majuub
-Full Power 120,000

Baby Vegeta
-Super Baby Vegeta 1 75,000
-Super Baby Vegeta 2 150,000
-Golden Oozaru 200,000

Now we move into the Super Android 17 Arc:

a) Goku SSj is stronger than Vegeta SSj2.
b) Oob is the same strength and does worse than Vegeta SSj2.
c) Super 17 Pre-Absorption struggles with Goku SSj

Goku
-Base 1,500
-Ssj 200,000
-SSj2 300,000
-SSj3 1,200,000
-SSj4 12,000,000

Majuub
-Full Power 120,000

Vegeta
-SSj2 150,000

Super Android 17
-Pre Absorption 240,000
-Post Absorption 15,000,000

Once we get towards Dragonball Super, a few facts are relevant:

a) Beerus is credited as being superior to Vegetto long before he uses 10% of his power.
b) Vegeta gives Beerus 10% a run for his money.
c) Goku SSJG is only 60% of Beerus.

Vegetto
-SSj3 250,000

Raging Vegeta
-SSj2 500,000

Beerus
-5% (Expected) 300,000
-10% 600,000
-100% 6,000,000

Even though the feats completely disregard this, he would only make it as far as the Super Android 17 Arc.

However, power-scaling isn't really a logical way of comparing fighters.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Shadow Dragons Arc?

 

[kriss-]

I'm not sure how power-scaling works at that point. Nor am I certain about how large Goku's 10x Kamehameha wave is.

 

[Tapion]

I'll analyze this.

Well... let's start off with Super Vegetto, who was wrecking Boohan. We'll roll with a 30x gap.
Vegetto
-Ssj 31,250
-SSj2 62,500
-SSj3 250,000

Boohan
-Full Power 1,000

This is baseless. Vegito stated himself that he was surprised that he could make this fool out of Buuhan. Which means, he is not 30x as strong as Buuhan. Otherwise, you think that he wouldn't be surprised..

Some things leading up to Planet M2:

a) Goku's Base form is stronger than General Rildo.
b) General Rildo's Base form is stronger than Boohan.
c) Goku turns Super Saiyan and Rildo undergoes two transformations, but still, he cannot win.
d) The multipliers for GT are as followed: SSj = 2.5x Base, SSj2 = 1.5x SSj, SSj3 = 3-4x SSj2, SSj4 = 10x SSj3 -or, a potential unlock.

Now we have:

Again, SSj4 is not 10x SSj3. That's a completely baseless assumption. GT Perfect Files states that it draws the power to its limits.

Now we get into the Baby Arc and:

a) Goku is the same as he was on Planet M2, but now he can achieve Super Saiyan 4.
b) Super Baby Vegeta 1 is the first one to surpass Super Vegetto.
c) Majuub is capable of fighting with Super Baby Vegeta 2.

First: When Goku fights Baby he is not capable of transforming into SSj4, until he returns after his tail is regrown and he is stronger than before. False.
Second: Yea..
Third: Baby was toying around with Majuub(stated) and the latter had to be eaten in purpose to be even useful. He also failed to destroy Baby from inside, even though Baby was completely vulnerable. Majuub rivalin Baby? A big no.

Goku
-Base 1,500
-Ssj 3,750
-SSj2 5,625
-SSj3 22,500
-SSj4 225,000

Majuub
-Full Power 120,000

Baby Vegeta
-Super Baby Vegeta 1 75,000
-Super Baby Vegeta 2 150,000
-Golden Oozaru 200,000

1. The GT Perfect Files states that Baby Vegeta(Oozaru) is stronger than SSj4 Goku. Goku has the speed, Baby has the power basically.
2. As said above, Majuub is not rivaling Baby.

 

[kriss-]

I'll analyze this.

Well... let's start off with Super Vegetto, who was wrecking Boohan. We'll roll with a 30x gap.
Vegetto
-Ssj 31,250
-SSj2 62,500
-SSj3 250,000

Boohan
-Full Power 1,000

This is baseless. Vegito stated himself that he was surprised that he could make this fool out of Buuhan. Which means, he is not 30x as strong as Buuhan. Otherwise, you think that he wouldn't be surprised..

Some things leading up to Planet M2:

a) Goku's Base form is stronger than General Rildo.
b) General Rildo's Base form is stronger than Boohan.
c) Goku turns Super Saiyan and Rildo undergoes two transformations, but still, he cannot win.
d) The multipliers for GT are as followed: SSj = 2.5x Base, SSj2 = 1.5x SSj, SSj3 = 3-4x SSj2, SSj4 = 10x SSj3 -or, a potential unlock.

Now we have:

Again, SSj4 is not 10x SSj3. That's a completely baseless assumption. GT Perfect Files states that it draws the power to its limits.

Now we get into the Baby Arc and:

a) Goku is the same as he was on Planet M2, but now he can achieve Super Saiyan 4.
b) Super Baby Vegeta 1 is the first one to surpass Super Vegetto.
c) Majuub is capable of fighting with Super Baby Vegeta 2.

First: When Goku fights Baby he is not capable of transforming into SSj4, until he returns after his tail is regrown and he is stronger than before. False.
Second: Yea..
Third: Baby was toying around with Majuub(stated) and the latter had to be eaten in purpose to be even useful. He also failed to destroy Baby from inside, even though Baby was completely vulnerable. Majuub rivalin Baby? A big no.

Goku
-Base 1,500
-Ssj 3,750
-SSj2 5,625
-SSj3 22,500
-SSj4 225,000

Majuub
-Full Power 120,000

Baby Vegeta
-Super Baby Vegeta 1 75,000
-Super Baby Vegeta 2 150,000
-Golden Oozaru 200,000

1. The GT Perfect Files states that Baby Vegeta(Oozaru) is stronger than SSj4 Goku. Goku has the speed, Baby has the power basically.
2. As said above, Majuub is not rivaling Baby.

I won't comment on any of that because!! I agree with you on half of it and the other half...

Idk..

:3

 

[Nèro]

Omega >>>>>>>>>>> Beerus

 

[kriss-]

Beerus > Omega Shenron

Based on feats alone.

 

[Tapion]

By feats Omega Shenron = Piccolo Daimao Young, which is obviously not true.

By statements, Omega is comparable to Beerus since he is stated to be a universe buster.

By powerscaling, he one-shots Beerus.

So, i'd say that you shouldn't use feats to GT mainly because they are messed up. If they were at least consistent, then i'd concede

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

By feats Omega Shenron = Piccolo Daimao Young, which is obviously not true.

By statements, Omega is comparable to Beerus since he is stated to be a universe buster.

By powerscaling, he one-shots Beerus.

So, i'd say that you shouldn't use feats to GT mainly because they are messed up. If they were at least consistent, then i'd concede

When was Omega stated to be a universe buster?

 

[Tapion]

By feats Omega Shenron = Piccolo Daimao Young, which is obviously not true.

By statements, Omega is comparable to Beerus since he is stated to be a universe buster.

By powerscaling, he one-shots Beerus.

So, i'd say that you shouldn't use feats to GT mainly because they are messed up. If they were at least consistent, then i'd concede

When was Omega stated to be a universe buster?

It was stated by the Kaioshins and shown by GT a simulation where Omega destroys the universe in a few seconds at most

 

[kriss-]

Being stated of being capable of doing something is completely different from actually doing it.

 

[Tapion]

Being stated of being capable of doing something is completely different from actually doing it.

Beerus is not an universe buster then

 

[kriss-]

He was shaking the Universe and the dimensions OUTSIDE of the Universe, that's enough for me.

 

[SIAD]

Not that Omega Yi Xing Long destroy the Galaxy THROUGH chain reaction? And rather due to contamination of malignant energy?

 

[Tapion]

Omega Shenron is officially an universe buster. Toei states that Black Smoke Shenron has enough power to destroy the universe, and Omega Shenron has the same power as Black Smoke so he is universal level.

SIAD, even though that is true, it would be in a FEW seconds, which would be similar to destroying an universe in one blow, it would take a few seconds until the universe exploded completely.

 

[kriss-]

Omega Shenron = Inferred Universal Buster with no feats to support the claim.
Beerus = Capable of shaking the entire Universe and the dimensions outside of the Universe through feats.

Beerus wins easily. He did something beyond the scale of the Universe, and he has a feat to prove it, this makes him stronger than Omega by default.

 

[Tapion]

Omega Shenron = Inferred Universal Buster with no feats to support the claim.
Beerus = Capable of shaking the entire Universe and the dimensions outside of the Universe through feats.

Beerus wins easily. He did something beyond the scale of the Universe, and he has a feat to prove it, this makes him stronger than Omega by default.

Omega induced so much fear into the Kaioshins that they were trying to get out of the Kaioshin Realm as soon as they possibly could, while the perspective of Beerus destroying the Universe only surprised the Kaioshins, but didn't make them think "LET'S GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE , THAT'S TERRIBLE" That's a good feat.

Beerus didn't destroy the universe. While Omega was shown to destroy the universe in a simulation, that's more than Beerus did.

Beerus = Inferred Universal Buster.
Omega = Inferred Universal Buster and supported by official Toei statements.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

No he's not...

Every villain were stated to be able to destroy the universe. Omega need to spread his negative energy in order to destroy the universe but it will take time.

 

[kriss-]

Omega Shenron only has one supporting quote to say that he is so and so powerful, whereas Beerus has half a dozen statements that say the exact same thing, but there is a difference between the two:

a) Omega Shenron was only inferred to be capable of destroying the Universe.
b) Beerus has been stated to be capable of destroying the Universe and the dimensions outside of the Universe, which includes Otherworld and The World Of The Kais.

Aside from the two statements, which obviously places Beerus above Omega Shenron, Beerus is actually shown to be capable of shaking the entire Universe and the dimensions outside of the Universe, which places him above Omega Shenron by default.

This should be a plain example as to why power-scaling on it's own is not a reliable source for scaling the power of specific fighters, it can be contradictory to the evidence that we do have and is not a fact on it's own, it's fallible.

 

[Mr. Popo Fan]

Omega > Bils.