Kamiccolo vs Shin

[GSM123]

Meh, i just think Kamiccolo isn't shit to Babidi's minions. Dabura already called him trash to the Base Saiyans and lumped him with Kuririn, after all. I don't see how Shin > Babidi Minions can possibly be true when he shows signals of knowing them, Babidi is totally sure his minions are stronger than Shin and he shits himself over Base Vegeta even though he already expected the Saiyans to be stronger than him. If we disregard this, why not go ahead and say Shin > Dabura then?

And how can physical strength not be related with ki? Sounds like reaching, if you ask me. But i agree this doesn't deny Shin > Piccolo on the Daizenshuu, regardless. Gohan made a estimative about Kibito's power, while Kamiccolo was shitting himself with Shin's power.

 

[SSJ2]

Dabra's ki sensing skills are questionable at best. He is confident that Pocus can take out the Saiyans lol.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Kaioshin didn't give a shit about Pui-Pui. He only started to show fear when Base Vegeta was fighting alone.

When Pui-Pui came outside to greet Spopo and Yamu, Kaioshin was still in his chill mode. He actually feared Dabra and Yakon, though.

I don't think Dabra can really sense. Bobbidi basically called him to the side and noted that Kaioshin and the others were hiding. So Bobbidi sensed them hiding and Dabra could tell through the suppression who the strongest of the 7 were. Outside of that, their sensing abilities disappear after that scene.

 

[SSJ2]

Sabra at least should be able to sense the Kaioshin ki, going by guidebook and interview notions at least.. so I find it odd that he's still confident in sending out Pocus.

 

[GSM123]

Sabra?

He sensed the suppressed Ki of the Z Fighters, and estimated their full power would be enough to fill the tank that was already half filled by hundreds of humans but weaker than Pocus.

But that scene is fucked up though. He thinks Boo is only a obese retarded later on.

 

[ahill1]

Babidi is totally sure his minions are stronger than Shin and he shits himself over Base Vegeta even though he already expected the Saiyans to be stronger than him. If we disregard this, why not go ahead and say Shin > Dabura then?

I have given you my thoughts about Kaioshin's reactions towards base Vegeta. I don't think it inherently implies base > Kaioshin. Kaioshin didn't know how strong Pui Pui nor any of the Babidi's warriors were, barring Dabura maybe. He thought he needed the Z warriors' help to defeat them after witnessing Gohan's ssj2 power at the Budokai, and then saw Vegeta in base easily outclassing some warrior. I'd be surprised too, it's like if I saw some 5 years old kid beating up a 10 years old kid, you'd be surprised as well, right?

And how can physical strength not be related with ki

I didn't say they aren't related, I said they are related but maybe not completely in sync. Makes sense?

BTW, you'd think Kibito would use his chi to try to lift the sword as well, right? Then that could pose a problem.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Bobbidi already thought the fight was finished as soon as he finished giving Boo energy. Yes, he actually thought Pui-Pui defeated everyone in a matter of mins.

The whole sequence is dumb.

 

[SSJ2]

One of the reasons I take the ship seriously is due to believing in the retcon.. Kaioshin gushes over Base Vegeta's power despite sensing SSJ2 Gohan? Nonsense, as we can all agree. But then he acts like Kibito doesn't know that level of power either - which is also nonsense. As fucked up as this sounds, I can see Kaioshin > Piccolo at the Budokai, but I certainly would then retcon his power to much lower on the ship.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The main problem there is you still have Kaioshin referencing the events (hard to hold Super Saiyan Gohan down) that he seemed to recall accurately. Of course this transitioned from a stupid ("Are Super Saiyans really that strong) question to begin with.

Fuck Bobbidi's spaceship.

 

[SSJ2]

That's true, which is why I simply say fuck it and have Kaioshin being weak from the start.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Fuck Kaioshin.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

That's true, which is why I simply say fuck it and have Kaioshin being weak from the start.

he was able to survive beating from fat buu,so i dont think he is all that weak.

 

[SSJ2]

Tenshinhan survived a hard kick from Gotenks Boo.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Just too many weird inconsistencies.

I know Boo was about to be awakened, but Kaioshin actually didn't look that confident when he said "I'll fight Bobbidi". Could have more to do with the overall situation than Bobbidi specifically, but his later comment ("I'll pin Bobbidi down" what?) even sounded weird. Why do that when he could just wipe him out with ease? Piccolo just appears behind Bobbidi and dices the guy like he was nothing.

Kaioshin>Piccolo is something I went along with because I never saw a reason to go against it. Nowadays I kinda don't care who's stronger.

 

[ahill1]

Kaioshin is also worried about Goku fighting Yakon even after he and Vegeta said how Dabura seems no big deal... the sequence seems dumb even when not linking the Spaceship scenes to the Budokai ones, imo.

Kaioshin gushes over

 

[SSJ2]

Perhaps pin him down and force him to reverse his spell on Vegeta? Lol I got nothing bro

 

[ahill1]

If the Super manga is anything to go by, it seemed Kaioshin was about to one shot Babidi, who was like "Save me Daburaaaa" until Dabura hit him with that blast.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Sounds like he wanted to put that nigga in jail or something.

What's even funnier is how Kaioshin is the most non-physical fuck in the entire series. I can't imagine him doing a push-up or throwing a punch...let alone slamming someone to the floor.

 

[GSM123]

I have given you my thoughts about Kaioshin's reactions towards base Vegeta. I don't think it inherently implies base > Kaioshin. Kaioshin didn't know how strong Pui Pui nor any of the Babidi's warriors were, barring Dabura maybe. He thought he needed the Z warriors' help to defeat them after witnessing Gohan's ssj2 power at the Budokai, and then saw Vegeta in base easily outclassing some warrior. I'd be surprised too, it's like if I saw some 5 years old kid beating up a 10 years old kid, you'd be surprised as well, right?

Why he wouldn't know how strong Yakon is? He recognizes him right off the bat and suggests teaming up just after seeing him in action.

As for Pocus, Shin saw him in action and never went back in his word claiming he overstimated him, instead he compliments Vegeta for killing such a strong opponent so easily.

I didn't say they aren't related, I said they are related but maybe not completely in sync. Makes sense?

BTW, you'd think Kibito would use his chi to try to lift the sword as well, right? Then that could pose a problem.

I got it, but do you have an example or anything? Because if you don't, you're reaching.

Bobbidi already thought the fight was finished as soon as he finished giving Boo energy. Yes, he actually thought Pui-Pui defeated everyone in a matter of mins.

The whole sequence is dumb.

"Meter doesn't move an inch"

Babidi: "Is Pocus done with the guys?"

 

[ahill1]

I always found Toyotaro's portrayment of that entire scene accurate. Kaioshin was no match for Dabura and was even crippled by a blast, IIRC it was even the same blast that hit Gohan in the main timeline... Kaioshin had still the power to paralyze Dabura, although it's worth noting Dabura wasn't paying attention when Kaioshin got him in the paralysis technique, making you question how that would be if Dabura was actually staring at Kaioshin.

But man, it'd be fucking cool if they showed how Yakon and Pui Pui were defeated, that could give us some insight on how Kaioshin actually compares to them... damn!