Merged Zamasu > Beerus confirmed?

[xmysticgohanx]

I asked on kanzenshuu which is where the translation is from. I'm guessing there was some sort of picture

@Fearless Boo I would agree with him then. I'd just go with Vegeta and Goku somehow becoming half of Vegetto's power each. Combined with x400 and that hypothetical statement would work.

Author statements > character statements

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He thought Black is stronger which is false.

How do you know better than the producer?

Because the producer didn't leave any statement to confirm it in the anime. What if Toriyama confirmed that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo including Boohan? Would you agree with him?

No, I probably wouldn't. Maybe actually.

But this is the DragonBall Super anime which is inconsistent as fack for the most part anyway, so the only thing we can go by is the intentions of the makers of the show. You can't know better than the person who produces/makes the show.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

How do you know better than the producer?

Because the producer didn't leave any statement to confirm it in the anime. What if Toriyama confirmed that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo including Boohan? Would you agree with him?

No, I probably wouldn't. Maybe actually.

But this is the DragonBall Super anime which is inconsistent as fack for the most part anyway, so the only thing we can go by is the intentions of the makers of the show. You can't know better than the person who produces/makes the show.

Nobody would agree with him unless if it's tosh, and kidbuu.

Inconsistent? Sure, so was GT yet the statements contradicts it. Statements > Feats, also if that's the producer's intention then he should definitely add something in the anime to make it true. Moreover, when you look at that his statement, he was talking about Black getting stronger which seems to be limitless and could potentially surpass Hit but not the current Black who fought Vegeta.

I asked on kanzenshuu which is where the translation is from. I'm guessing there was some sort of picture

@Fearless Boo I would agree with him then. I'd just go with Vegeta and Goku somehow becoming half of Vegetto's power each. Combined with x400 and that hypothetical statement would work.

Author statements > character statements

I thought Toriyama is the author? But anyway, it will still contradict the final fight where Goku thought bringing Gohan and Gotenks can do the job done against Boo so how does that work if they're weaker than Boo?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Because the producer didn't leave any statement to confirm it in the anime. What if Toriyama confirmed that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo including Boohan? Would you agree with him?

No, I probably wouldn't. Maybe actually.

But this is the DragonBall Super anime which is inconsistent as fack for the most part anyway, so the only thing we can go by is the intentions of the makers of the show. You can't know better than the person who produces/makes the show.

Nobody would agree with him unless if it's tosh, and kidbuu.

Inconsistent? Sure, so was GT yet the statements contradicts it. Statements > Feats, also if that's the producer's intention then he should definitely add something in the anime to make it true. Moreover, when you look at that his statement, he was talking about Black getting stronger which seems to be limitless and could potentially surpass Hit but not the current Black who fought Vegeta.

I asked on kanzenshuu which is where the translation is from. I'm guessing there was some sort of picture

@Fearless Boo I would agree with him then. I'd just go with Vegeta and Goku somehow becoming half of Vegetto's power each. Combined with x400 and that hypothetical statement would work.

Author statements > character statements

I thought Toriyama is the author? But anyway, it will still contradict the final fight where Goku thought bringing Gohan and Gotenks can do the job done against Boo so how does that work if they're weaker than Boo?

Nah, he was talking about power, but also mentioned the way Goku-Black can get so much higher.

It's not like there's anything impossible with Goku-Black > Hit anyway. They just become 10x higher than they were before. Big deal.

This is the same show where fodder like Freeza could become God-Tier in 4 months. On-top of that the show doesn't have a problem contradicting its own material anyway.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

No, I probably wouldn't. Maybe actually.

But this is the DragonBall Super anime which is inconsistent as fack for the most part anyway, so the only thing we can go by is the intentions of the makers of the show. You can't know better than the person who produces/makes the show.

Nobody would agree with him unless if it's tosh, and kidbuu.

Inconsistent? Sure, so was GT yet the statements contradicts it. Statements > Feats, also if that's the producer's intention then he should definitely add something in the anime to make it true. Moreover, when you look at that his statement, he was talking about Black getting stronger which seems to be limitless and could potentially surpass Hit but not the current Black who fought Vegeta.

I asked on kanzenshuu which is where the translation is from. I'm guessing there was some sort of picture

@Fearless Boo I would agree with him then. I'd just go with Vegeta and Goku somehow becoming half of Vegetto's power each. Combined with x400 and that hypothetical statement would work.

Author statements > character statements

I thought Toriyama is the author? But anyway, it will still contradict the final fight where Goku thought bringing Gohan and Gotenks can do the job done against Boo so how does that work if they're weaker than Boo?

Nah, he was talking about power, but also mentioned the way Goku-Black can get so much higher.

It's not like there's anything impossible with Goku-Black > Hit anyway. They just become 10x higher than they were before. Big deal.

This is the same show where fodder like Freeza could become God-Tier in 4 months. On-top of that the show doesn't have a problem contradicting its own material anyway.

Power that can potentially surpass anyone except GoD which he made it as an exception. Yes, it is impossible since it's 10x stronger than SSJB and Black power never exceeded yet. At least Freeza trained in 4 months and has some feats to confirmed his power that surpassed Vegito while Black doesn't have.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Nobody would agree with him unless if it's tosh, and kidbuu.

Inconsistent? Sure, so was GT yet the statements contradicts it. Statements > Feats, also if that's the producer's intention then he should definitely add something in the anime to make it true. Moreover, when you look at that his statement, he was talking about Black getting stronger which seems to be limitless and could potentially surpass Hit but not the current Black who fought Vegeta.


I thought Toriyama is the author? But anyway, it will still contradict the final fight where Goku thought bringing Gohan and Gotenks can do the job done against Boo so how does that work if they're weaker than Boo?

Nah, he was talking about power, but also mentioned the way Goku-Black can get so much higher.

It's not like there's anything impossible with Goku-Black > Hit anyway. They just become 10x higher than they were before. Big deal.

This is the same show where fodder like Freeza could become God-Tier in 4 months. On-top of that the show doesn't have a problem contradicting its own material anyway.

Power that can potentially surpass anyone except GoD which he made it as an exception. Yes, it is impossible since it's 10x stronger than SSJB and Black power never exceeded yet. At least Freeza trained in 4 months and has some feats to confirmed his power that surpassed Vegito while Black doesn't have.

Still doesn't justify Freeza's jump in power.

Like I said DragonBall Super fears are inconsistent anyway, if the producer says he's higher than he probably knows what he intended better than you.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nah, he was talking about power, but also mentioned the way Goku-Black can get so much higher.

It's not like there's anything impossible with Goku-Black > Hit anyway. They just become 10x higher than they were before. Big deal.

This is the same show where fodder like Freeza could become God-Tier in 4 months. On-top of that the show doesn't have a problem contradicting its own material anyway.

Power that can potentially surpass anyone except GoD which he made it as an exception. Yes, it is impossible since it's 10x stronger than SSJB and Black power never exceeded yet. At least Freeza trained in 4 months and has some feats to confirmed his power that surpassed Vegito while Black doesn't have.

Still doesn't justify Freeza's jump in power.

Like I said DragonBall Super fears are inconsistent anyway, if the producer says he's higher than he probably knows what he intended better than you.

It does, Freeza was born to have a massive potential although surpassing the likes of Vegito is ridiculous but feats and statements back it up. If that's the producer's intention then he failed to deliver it, it's like a test when you failed to deliver your correct answer then that's your fault and the teacher will have to give your points/marks based on your paper not your intention.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Power that can potentially surpass anyone except GoD which he made it as an exception. Yes, it is impossible since it's 10x stronger than SSJB and Black power never exceeded yet. At least Freeza trained in 4 months and has some feats to confirmed his power that surpassed Vegito while Black doesn't have.

Still doesn't justify Freeza's jump in power.

Like I said DragonBall Super fears are inconsistent anyway, if the producer says he's higher than he probably knows what he intended better than you.

It does, Freeza was born to have a massive potential although surpassing the likes of Vegito is ridiculous but feats and statements back it up. If that's the producer's intention then he failed to deliver it, it's like a test when you failed to deliver your correct answer then that's your fault and the teacher will have to give your points/marks based on your paper not your intention.

That was just the excuse to say Freeza got much higher. Vegeta was born with a higher power-level than Goku, doesn't mean he wasn't a step behind Goku almost all the way in DragonBall.

Ridiculous analogy. This is the same thought-process someone like @Pakl uses for movies. You go by the intentions of the maker, not what you yourself have made-up in your head or feel like is justifiable.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Because the producer didn't leave any statement to confirm it in the anime. What if Toriyama confirmed that Pure Boo is the strongest Boo including Boohan? Would you agree with him?

No, I probably wouldn't. Maybe actually.

But this is the DragonBall Super anime which is inconsistent as fack for the most part anyway, so the only thing we can go by is the intentions of the makers of the show. You can't know better than the person who produces/makes the show.

Nobody would agree with him unless if it's tosh, and kidbuu.

Inconsistent? Sure, so was GT yet the statements contradicts it. Statements > Feats, also if that's the producer's intention then he should definitely add something in the anime to make it true. Moreover, when you look at that his statement, he was talking about Black getting stronger which seems to be limitless and could potentially surpass Hit but not the current Black who fought Vegeta.

I asked on kanzenshuu which is where the translation is from. I'm guessing there was some sort of picture

@Fearless Boo I would agree with him then. I'd just go with Vegeta and Goku somehow becoming half of Vegetto's power each. Combined with x400 and that hypothetical statement would work.

Author statements > character statements

I thought Toriyama is the author? But anyway, it will still contradict the final fight where Goku thought bringing Gohan and Gotenks can do the job done against Boo so how does that work if they're weaker than Boo?

toriyama > Goku

Toriyama > toei producer (for super) > characters

 

[Animelover5487]

Also I just saw this somewhere-else, does this mean Goku-Black > Hit confirmed?

Also, does this mean Goku-Black really powered-up against Vegeta at the end and became even higher than him?

Yeah I think it's saying that aside from Beerus and the angels, Black is the strongest non-fused character.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=36073&p=1186962#p1186962

I'm in shock. Pointless question for us lmao

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I just assume then that this is for everyone.

Other than the ones established to be higher than Bills.

 

[Future Warrior]

Wait, why is Black stronger than Hit again?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Wait, why is Black stronger than Hit again?

Because the producer said Goku-Black is the highest.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

toriyama > Goku

Toriyama > toei producer (for super) > characters

Unfortunately, Toriyama never said anything yet but his work does and it says Hit is still the strongest aside from gods and fusions.

That was just the excuse to say Freeza got much higher. Vegeta was born with a higher power-level than Goku, doesn't mean he wasn't a step behind Goku almost all the way in DragonBall.

Ridiculous analogy. This is the same thought-process someone like @Pakl uses for movies. You go by the intentions of the maker, not what you yourself have made-up in your head or feel like is justifiable.

Whether it is ridiculous or not we just have to accept what the manga or the anime implied and since that stupid idiot producer's intention isn't one of those then he failed to deliver. Vegettoexx pretty much says it all, it's all about selling or marketing the product.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'd like to assume the developer was referring to Goku Black's unique abilities that makes him the ''strongest fighter'', not in the context of physical strength.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I'd like to assume the developer was referring to Goku Black's unique abilities that makes him the ''strongest fighter'', not in the context of physical strength.

This

 

[Papasmurf]

So Hit completely maxed out in that fight in the tournament?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So Hit completely maxed out in that fight in the tournament?

He still have those deadly techniques which would probably make him tougher.

 

[Animelover5487]

So Hit completely maxed out in that fight in the tournament?

As far as power levels are concerned yes. Deadly techniques gives Hit the edge over considerably stronger opponents though.