Nappa's power level and why...

[kriss-]

It suggests that Kuririn cannot accurately gauge their battle power, but Goku knows different, hence why he engages Nappa on his own, which contradicts Kuririns 'even for you' analogy, proving that he on his own, is not completely reliable.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It doesn't contradict anything because Goku wasn't at full-power. I'm talking about suppressed Goku being above Nappa. That's the Goku everyone sensed when he arrived on the planet. His level remained the same until he arrived on the battlefield.

 

[kriss-]

Goku's own self confidence contradicts Kuririn completely, and he does so a few panels after-wards.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Goku wasn't at full-power when Krillin made the statement. We're discussing suppressed Goku, not full-power Goku.

 

[kriss-]

Kurigin cannot fully comprehend Goku's strength or Nappa's or Vegeta's. Hence why he believes their power to be beyond their imagination. Additionally, all of Nappa's durability feats tie in line with this. From Kuririn's blast, to Chaozu's explosion to Gohan's Masenko, time and time again he was completely unfazed from anything when someone of his strength level, should have been. Thus making him appear stronger then imagination, and hence why Goku was so surprised at his toughness, but continued to mock his strength.

There's nothing contradictory here. Anything else?

 

[ahill1]

"beyond imagination" doesn't mean he cannot comprehend their powers, it means they are just too powerful.

 

[kriss-]

Beyond imagination implies they're beyond what he's capable of comprehending. Meaning he's not a reliable source at this point.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Nope. His comment is specifically on their strength. DBZ is pretty straightforward in that regard.

Wrong again. The entire Ginyu Force (Sans Gurd) are many times more powerful than Krillin, yes? Was Krillin not only able to say Jheese and Butta were Reacoom's equal, but also that Ginyu was many levels above the whole Ginyu Force?

Thought so. Therefore, the idea of someone being unable to comprehend the power of others because they're far weaker is incorrect.

 

[kriss-]

Krillen's statement suggests that he cannot imagine how strong they are, in other-words, he cannot comprehend their battle levels. They're too high for him. It would be like standing below two skyscrapers and trying to determine which one is stronger.

There's nothing that he's posted so far that completely proves Nappa is so and so strong. Everything can be reasonable explained.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Like I said, the entire Ginyu Force were worlds above Krillin. Can you sit here with a straight-face and say Krillin was closer to the Ginyu Force than he was Nappa? Krillin said Reacoom, Butta, and Jheese all had equal Chi. These guys are far above him and yet he could make an accurate assessment based on their Chi alone. When Ginyu was there, he said Ginyu was way above all of the others. So again, the whole skyscraper is your personal fanon because the Ginyu example alone slams the door on that completely.

Yes, there is. Nappa is above Goku when he arrives to fight. Vegeta laughed at 5k Goku even challenging Nappa and you already know the Krillin statement.

 

[kriss-]

Krillens abilities increased to their limits whilst on Namek, he was capable of much more. But just because he was able to more accurately gauge strength on Namek doesn't mean he was as capable beforehand. The notion that speed doesn't scale linearly with strength proves that these three attributes don't always scale linearly. Because Kuririn says Nappa and Vegeta are beyond their imagination suggests that he isn't capable of fully comprehending their abilities at that period, and for reasons mentioned before.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He increased his abilities based on what? I'm sure you pulled that out of your ass.

 

[kriss-]

Guru's potential unlock.

Ki sensing is shown to take practice as is more powerful Kamehameha waves as seen when Piccolo fought against Semi-Cell. Speed and strength are shown to progress differently as well. As a whole, all of these abilities do not increase because strength on it's own increased. Kurirn's Ki sensing abilities aren't likely as good on Earth as they were on Namek since he couldn't phantom the level of power that Nappa was at.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yet Krillin knew Freeza was far beyond both Zarbon and Dodoria before the potential unlock. All of which would be skyscrapers to 1.5k Krillin.

What's your answer now?

 

[SSJ2]

Krillin was actually 1.5 million, the scouter was wrong.

 

[Six Trails]

Krillin was actually 1.5 million, the scouter was wrong.

So Krillin > FnF Freeza?

 

[SSJ2]

Well duh

 

[kriss-]

Yet Krillin knew Freeza was far beyond both Zarbon and Dodoria before the potential unlock. All of which would be skyscrapers to 1.5k Krillin.

What's your answer now?

If you saw one large blob and another larger blob, which one would be bigger? Does it mean you can understand the full abilities that the larger blob is capable of dishing out? Especially when strength and speed don't correlate? Absolutely not.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It means the large Chi is above the other huge Chi's.

So I guess we can disregard the skyscraper example, eh?

About imagination:

Kaioshin: “That’s right…His power is far beyond our imagination. If we took it and changed it into something even more unreal, he might be able to surpass Majin Boo…”

So I guess Super Saiyan Gohan isn't that close to Kaioshin like you believe. The above would imply there's a world of difference.

 

[kriss-]

Because a large Ki is larger then another it doesn't mean he can fully comprehend what it's capable of. All he knows is that a 10 is larger then a 1.

Kaioshin might actually be able to defeat Super Saiyan Gohan, since he was capable of paralyzing him whilst in his Super Saiyan 2 transformation. However, that was only because of his latent ability and not necessarily his strength, which is inferior to Gohan as a Super Saiyan.

If anything your secondary point further establishes my analogy as being more correct then your own.