Piccolo (Post-RoSaT) > 50% MSSJ Goku?

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I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that. Piccolo came to the conclusion that Super Saiyan 3 Goku was holding-back during a battle. It doesn't seem strange to assume Piccolo would believe Goku wouldn't put out all of his power in a non-battle setting.
 

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Then that just leaves us with the mystery of Piccolo's expectation.

Goku: 50
Piccolo: 55
Goku (expected): 70?

Who the fuck knows, except it wasn't 100% because everyone pooped themselves when they saw that.
 

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Here's my interpretation. The crew seems to be caught off guard by Goku's power up and it ends very shortly after. So they can sense it, but they didn't have a lot of time to evaluate it fully.

As Piccolo is training and gaining closer and closer to Goku's power he fills up with hope and begins to restore pride in his abilities. He will be the one to defeat Cell just like last time. But wait... Piccolo knows Goku all too well. All these years he's known Goku. He knows exactly how he is. He starts to think that with Goku, there is always something more, hell, I bet he even has more power than what he showed in that glimpse. As times goes on, his hope fades and he starts to panic, knowing what he knows of Goku, Goku is not only a little stronger, he's probably a whole lot stronger. Piccolo's perception of the situation begins to grow somber as he is relegated to the fate Goku talked about. The one in which Goku with all of his mighty power, still can't get it done. Piccolo's gains have started to see some harsh diminishing returns over the last month or two and his power now has matched what Goku had shown before, but was it all a waste? He estimated Goku to be far stronger than himself, 1.5x stronger, a point in which Goku can defeat 3 versions of himself easily. He is powerless. He is useless. He decides to end his turn as it is rather pointless at this point.

He has the conversation with Goku, which reveals he had held onto a little hope for his power to be relevant one last time, but no, he is doomed to mediocrity once and for all. He has maxed out his abilities and they are nowhere near acceptable at this level. Later while waiting for Goku to unleash his full power, Goku reveals he is no 1.5x more stronger than Piccolo, which was already incredibly superior, he is a whopping full 2x stronger, making Goku go from being a demi god to a full on God.

This interpretation is appropriate and no one can provide a better one, thus this idea rules the day KP. Until you can beat this, suck it easy baby!
 

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Pyro said:
Future Warrior said:
Pyro said:
Piccolo didn't think so.

They estimated Cells true power to be higher than 50% Goku, and Trunks was surprised to hear that Piccolo didn't stand a chance against Cell by Goku. Piccolo must've realized that Goku and Cell had more in the tank then what they were letting on.
Piccolo never realized this or show me when he did.

Why would he even be asking Goku how he compares to Cell who they know is stronger than 50% Goku if he was much weaker than the same Goku? Makes no sense. Also considering Trunks' reaction, I think it's safe to assume Piccolo knew Goku and Cell had more reserves.
 

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Exactly. Trunks's reaction does not make sense unless Piccolo's power is relevant to what Goku showed. Hell, there's no point in talking about Piccolo's power if it hasn't for the most part, caught up with the status quo.
 

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This is the chain that seems to be implied.

Cell (2nd expectations) >>> Piccolo >/= Cell (1st Expectations) > 50% Goku
 

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35-40% to Goku's 50% is relevant enough.

Piccolo can't be that strong or he'd screw up the entire chain. Still trash. :troll2
 

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I think it's best to keep Piccolo right at 50% Goku's level. If you any higher it causes problems. Remember, in the next saga you need this...

Super Saiyan Gohan > Super Saiyan Kids > Kaioshin >>> Piccolo

Keeping Piccolo at 50% Goku at least gives you somewhat of a chance to make that work.
 

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Not really

Goku 1/2 - 50
Piccolo - 56.25
Trunks - 60
Vegeta - 62.5
Cell Jr. - 64
Goku - 100
Shin - 80

Seems to work well given what's implied. Shin's power is up for interpretation anyways.
 

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It sucks into my issue anyhow...

Super Saiyan Gohan > Super Saiyan Kids > Kaioshin >> Piccolo

That's a tough chain to make work with Piccolo at 50% Goku already. Piccolo being more or less near Goku's 50% power works better in my experiences.

Sure, show me.
 

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Piccolo >>>>>>>> Kaioshin
 

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Future Warrior said:
Not really

Goku 1/2 - 50
Piccolo - 56.25
Trunks - 60
Vegeta - 62.5
Cell Jr. - 64
Goku - 100
Shin - 80

Seems to work well given what's implied. Shin's power is up for interpretation anyways.

The higher you put Piccolo, the higher everybody's expectations of Goku and Cell have to be (but more Goku). That only works to a certain extent when you as the reader knows Goku was only at 50% on the Lookout.
 

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Exactly, which is why Piccolo at 50% is best.

Having Teen Gohan at 120 to Cell Game's Goku at 100 is an atrocity, no fucking way does Gohan have that big of a lead if he has a lead at all.

Also, when Piccolo is able to immobilize Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and actually move Majin Buu, then and only then, does he belong above Kaioshin.
 

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Actual Goku 100 > Expected Goku 75 > Piccolo = 50% Goku

The best, simplest way.
 
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