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Goku Black is cool. There's a reason he's well liked but you won't see someone with a Jiren pfp.
 

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In what world is Goku Black whiny but OG Broly and Baby are “good villains” lmao

Nobody said they're good villains. They're just better than the dog shit that is Gokuu Black

If you think Black is just an evil Goku I’m convinced you haven’t read/watched the story at all.

That was the whole basis to Gokuu Black. Toriyama was inspired by evil knockoffs of characters from other franchises like "Kamen Rider Black" and "Fake Ultraman". Gokuu Black was his own take on that trope.

Wearing Goku’s face doesn’t make it a “what if Goku was evil?” story.

If he didn't look like Gokuu, then literally no one would give a shit about him LOL. This is why Gokuu Black is significantly more popular than Zamasu by himself.

Having a god become evil is actually a novelty idea for Dragon Ball.

An "Evil God" is fine.

An "Evil God stealing Gokuu's body" is not. It's funny because I made a fanfiction in 2014 that had Gokuu getting his body stolen by an evil God (an evil Kaioh just like Zamasu, actually) with a twisted sense of justice who wants to purge the universe of everyone who lives in it:

After Goku sacrifices his life against Cell, he learns of the Other World Tournament and trains for it. The winner of the tournament is to receive "special one-on-one training" from the Grand Kai, but in reality, Grand Kai plans on taking control of the winner's body in order become strong enough to destroy the Universe. The reason why the Grand Kai wants to destroy the Universe is because he wants to create a new and better one in its place (so he's like an anti-villain of some sort). And so, Goku wins the tournament and gets his body taken over by the Grand Kai, who proceeds to devastate the whole Universe.

It's just a cliche, unoriginal idea that anyone could come up with. Nobody gives a shit about seeing Gokuu get his body stolen again. We already saw that with Ginyuu.

Demigra from Xenoverse did the evil God trope better than this.

It’s baffling that you’d think this is a more childish idea than pink blob and the 11th return of Red Ribbon.

At least Cell and Boo aren't knockoffs of preexisting characters LOL. And Cell was only the first "return" of the Red Ribbon.

What's baffling is that you think there's anything interesting about "evil Gokuu with pink hair".
 

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Goku Black is cool. There's a reason he's well liked but you won't see someone with a Jiren pfp.

He's popular because he's an evil knockoff of Gokuu who was given wide exposure to the masses. That's all there is to it. You would have gotten the same result by canonizing Turless and devoting an entire arc to him instead.

If it was literally just Zamasu by himself, then nobody would have given a shit. Hence Zamasu being nowhere near as popular as Gokuu Black. So, that tells you nobody actually gave a shit about the plot or lore surrounding Gokuu Black; all they saw was "edgy evil Gokuu who kills people" and ate it up.

For zoomers like you and GSM who grew up on DBS (you two were literally 12-13 when DBS started 10 years ago and 10-11 when BoG came out. Not to put you guys down for your ages, but it's no surprise you'd like "evil pink Goku" when you're so young), Gokuu Black might be cool. But for older fans like the people who grew up with DBZ on Toonami, he's nothing special.
 
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So, that tells you nobody actually gave a shit about the plot or lore surrounding Gokuu Black; all they saw was "edgy evil Gokuu who kills people" and ate it up.
Nobody gives a shit about the plot of Freeza or Cell. It's their presentation as villains that appealed to the masses (presence/design/charisma). I also don't know where you are getting this strange idea that an evil alien space tyrant and a bio android were innovative concepts back then. The entire Cell arc plotline is glorified fanfiction.

Whether you like it or not, characterization and character design are the major selling points for the majority of DB fans. Goku Black has both.

For zoomers like you and GSM who grew up on DBS (you two were literally 12-13 when DBS started 10 years ago and 10-11 when BoG came out. Not to put you guys down for your ages, but it's no surprise you'd like "evil pink Goku" when you're so young), Gokuu Black might be cool. But for older fans like the people who grew up with DBZ on Toonami, he's nothing special.
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Nobody gives a shit about the plot of Freeza or Cell.

That's true, but there's nothing in DBS as iconic as Gokuu turning Super Saiyan for the first time or Gohan turning Super Saiyan 2 for the first time.

In the Zamasu arc alone, the grand climax was Vegett vs. Zamasu. That's nowhere near as iconic as stuff like Gokuu vs. Vegeeta, Gokuu vs. Freeza, Gohan vs. Cell, or even shit from the Boo arc like Gokuu vs. M. Vegeeta, Gokuu vs. Fat Boo, Vegett vs. Boohan, and Gokuu vs. Pure Boo.

What were the iconic fights in the Zamasu arc? Rage Trunks vs. Gokuu Black? Trunks pulling a Genkidama Sword out of his ass against Fused Zamasu? I'm sorry you zoomers had to settle for this. icon_alex2 (1).png

The entire Cell arc plotline is glorified fanfiction.

That's also true.

Less so than "evil Gokuu with pink hair", though lol

Whether you like it or not, characterization and character design are the major selling points for the majority of DB fans. Goku Black has both.

Less effort was put in Gokuu Black's design and characterization than those of the main villains in the original manga no matter how you look at it.

The Zamasu arc is basically rehashing the Android/Cell arc but replacing the androids with a pink Gokuu recolor and green Kaioh-shin recolor.

Honestly, Gokuu Black isn't more popular than Jiren by much, if at all. Gokuu vs. Jiren was practically an event in Mexico.
 

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Anime Goku Black was the only Goku Black with any sort of depth to his character and charisma. Manga Goku Black barely had any connection to Goku and was just another guy who made Vegeta job. The manga had a better plot overall though due to Trunks not becoming a borderline gary stu and actually explaining why Beerus died in the future by having the Z sword be destroyed by Dabura.
 

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>Anime Gokuu Black gets stronger from damage for no reason

"Depth"

>Anime Gokuu Black randomly creates a giant portal that produces clones of himself and says "Even I don't know what I'm doing"

"Charisma"
 
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This is my DB canon arcs list. Updated
 

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I guess the Future Trunks "Trunks the Story" chapter would be in A in the anime version (only as a standalone feature though. If you try to make it make sense with the anime flashbacks that clearly show Future Gohan getting his ass whooped by the cyborgs one on one, then it drops down to B). C or D in the original manga rendition. I didn't bother to search up images of GT or Heroes to add them. The Toei Bardock special is aight but still non-canon.

Anime Zamasu would maybe be bumped up to D, ToP bumped up to E or possibly D. The manga versions were the ones I rated due to AT having a greater part in the writing.

Other canon arcs that get bumped up with the anime's additions include Piccolo Daimao. Other than that retarded Tambourine filler involving Bulma and Yamcha, it had a better storyline and felt less cheap that there was an actual quest to procure the choshinsui
 
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Why do you think the anime version was better?
Better characterization, more interesting fights. Both versions dropped the ball hard near the end so I don't really give the manga a leg up in that regard.
 

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Better characterization, more interesting fights. Both versions dropped the ball hard near the end so I don't really give the manga a leg up in that regard.

For Black and Zamasu sure, but at least the manga didn't have Goku forgetting the senzu beans or the mafuba seal.
 

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He still failed to bring the Mafuba seal and his plot hax against Zamasu was just as bad as Trunks' in the anime. At least Trunks showed more character development in the anime too.
 

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Manga Trunks sucked balls, he couldn’t even defend the dozen or so humans left and his planet became a total wasteland way before the final fight.
 

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The manga could've been way better than the anime if it were weekly and didn't have to rush so much honestly...
 

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Manga Trunks sucked balls, he couldn’t even defend the dozen or so humans left and his planet became a total wasteland way before the final fight.
Still better than the asspulls they did with him in the anime. He has learns every Vegeta technique (Galick Gun, Final Flash, BBA) offscreen, he can somewhat fight Rose Black in regular SSJ2, he gets an unexplained barely reacted to form that makes him Buff and gives him blue aura that makes him equal to Rose Black, he just "learns" Genkidama for no reason and makes one powerful enough to kill someone equal to Blue Vegetto from energy from beaten up Base Saiyans and like 20 humans?

Lol. Toei sucked this man's dick good.
 

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SSJ Ikari does make sense now that Beast Gohan exists in Super in fairness. Everything else is Toei sucking Trunks off so hard it would make Mai blush, though
 

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SSJ Ikari does make sense now that Beast Gohan exists in Super in fairness. Everything else is Toei sucking Trunks off so hard it would make Mai blush, though
How exactly did Gohan get his beast form? I forgot.

Are these Saiyan hybrid exclusive firms? Why are they so powerful? I maybe can get behind Beast Gohan being that strong since he was already above Blue level in Ultimate form but Trunks going from being 1shot by SSJ3 Goku to knocking Rose Black into a building and surviving his KHH to even gaining an advantage on him in his Ikari form and forcing him to adapt further is too much.
 

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How exactly did Gohan get his beast form? I forgot.

Are these Saiyan hybrid exclusive firms? Why are they so powerful? I maybe can get behind Beast Gohan being that strong since he was already above Blue level in Ultimate form but Trunks going from being 1shot by SSJ3 Goku to knocking Rose Black into a building and surviving his KHH to even gaining an advantage on him in his Ikari form and forcing him to adapt further is too much.
Gohan got enraged when Cell Max nearly killed Piccolo. It was just another glorified Gohan rage moment, that AT took advantage of to crank out another new form to sell toys with at Toei/Bandai's behest.

I agree that SSJ2 Trunks getting a magic near-Blue level power up after two sparring sessions with Goku and Vegeta was garbage, but Ikari itself can be justified because Gohan essentially did no training between Moro and the Super Hero arc (the ToP really, if you think about how Super Hero was already in production before Broly was released) and he got to Beast/UI level just from getting enraged. Whis later confirmed Beast is purely a result of Gohan's potential, which is only possible as a hybrid since no pure Saiyan has that much potential except maybe Broly.
 

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