Recent Chapter Discussion

[ahill1]

Because he doesn't want to put out all the stops for an intense Kizaru fight that isn't meant to be his last showing. He's still gonna a threat in the final war to be saved for a matchup against Zoro or Sanji.

Oda wants to escalate the intensity of this arc naturally. Saturn's introduction would be a bit less impactful if we were already getting a high stakes Luffy vs Kizaru showdown. And when you take into account that he still has future plans for Kizaru (in fact, Saturn is the one that will probably die), it's no wonder he wrote the fight the way he did.

Not I high stake showdown necessarily, but just a battle with a more appealing visual and intensity, with a heavier focus on the roguhness of the blow, even more for being a Luffy vs Kizaru emcounter, someone who has had a past history with Luffy but won't be the one fighting him in the end.

 

[SSJ2]

I agree with ahill in a way. The chapter that was literally titled Luffy vs Kizaru felt very shallow and we hardly saw them go at it. Oda could've at least gone more in depth that chapter.

I'm a fan of Saturn showing up though.

 

[Future Warrior]

This arc is light years better than Wano, that much I’ll say.

It’s still crazy that the Gorosei are stronger than admirals (probably). It should have been expected given how the series treats the upper ranks in every group/organization, but the way Oda made it uncertain from the start is pretty darn impressive.

 

[SSJ2]

If they are that strong it begs the question as to why they don't destroy all pirates.

 

[Future Warrior]

tier 7 ~ Kaido, Saturn
tier 6 ~ Luffy, Kizaru
tier 5 ~ Zoro, Lucci
tier 4 ~ King, Katakuri

This is how I see things so far.

 

[ahill1]

I'd make a

Tier 1 -- Doflamingo, G4 Luffy, Cracker
Tier 2 -- Luffy snake man and Katakuri, Jack
Tier 3 -- Luffy post training in prison for Kaido
Tier 4 - Sanji, Queen
Tier 5 - Zoro, King, Lucci
Tier 6 - Law awakeneing
Tier 7 - Luffy post Haoshoku attacks in G4
Tier 8 - Kizaru
Tier 9 - Kaido, G5 Luffy
Tier 10 - Saturn

 

[Future Warrior]

Law > Zoro is insanity. And Zoro basically mid diffed King.

 

[ahill1]

Well, Law defeated Big Mom together with Kid. He was even more important in damaging her with his mortal awakened attacks. That's a feat beyond Zoro defeating Kaido's strongest underling imo. I don't believe Zoro and Sanji, or for better comparison, 2 Zoros defeating a Yonko.

Plus, while the wanted posters may not mean much, Law and Kid got each big recognisements with the sum of Law, Kid and Luffy's being Kaido + Big Mom... While Luffy > Law, Law still got more recognisement than Zoro at the end of the day.

 

[ahill1]

But I can put Zoro post Haoshoku one tier above King tho


Tier 1 -- Doflamingo, G4 Luffy, Cracker
Tier 2 -- Luffy snake man and Katakuri, Jack
Tier 3 -- Luffy post training in prison for Kaido
Tier 4 - Queen
Tier 5 - Sanji, King
Tier 6 - Zoro, Lucci
Tier 7 - Law awakeneing
Tier 8 - Luffy post Haoshoku attacks in G4
Tier 9 - Kizaru
Tier 10 - Kaido, G5 Luffy
Tier 11 - Saturn

 

[SSJ2]

Lucci being one of the strongest characters in the series is fucking hilarious.

 

[Future Warrior]

Well, Law defeated Big Mom together with Kid. He was even more important in damaging her with his mortal awakened attacks. That's a feat beyond Zoro defeating Kaido's strongest underling imo. I don't believe Zoro and Sanji, or for better comparison, 2 Zoros defeating a Yonko.

It wasn’t a straightforward knockout. A bunch of bombs fell on her through the hole after she was tossed out of Onigashima.

 

[SSJ2]

Is Luffy even using advanced Haoshoku recently? It didn’t look that way against Kizaru.

 

[ahill1]

It wasn’t a straightforward knockout. A bunch of bombs fell on her through the hole after she was tossed out of Onigashima.

It wasn't, but him laying damage on her and taking her out alongside Kid is more impressive than Zoro taking out King imo. There's a big difference between the Yonko and its second commander, pretty big.

 

[Future Warrior]

You know Zoro left a permanent scar on Kaido, right? In comparison to Law, who can only deal internal damage.

 

[ahill1]

Law hadn't had his awakening yet.

 

[Future Warrior]

With or without the awakening, Law’s attacks never had the affect on a Yonko the same way Zoro has.

 

[ahill1]

It had. It made Big Mom scream in pain. Zoro left a scar... But leaving a scar doesn't necessarily mean it had the bigger impact, Zoro cuts ppl, so scars are left more easily. Law's and Kid's attacks together were threatening to take Big Mom out... Zoro never got close to that, it took all the way up to G5 for that.

 

[Future Warrior]

Dude, there’s no proof that Law and Kid could have defeated Big Mom through the traditional method. Law’s attacks were painful but it was simply chipping away at her health through many uses.

Kaido was constantly weary of Zoro’s attacks and was left with a permanent scar (which requires powerful Haki like with Oden). I don’t understand the logic that Zoro is weaker because he only defeated a first commander, when it’s clear that he overwhelmingly defeated him after his power up.

I’m sorry to say, but Law would be deceased if he were to get hit by Asura. Just look at his reaction to the move.

 

[ahill1]

Ok then

 

[Future Warrior]

Lucci being one of the strongest characters in the series is fucking hilarious.

To be fair, he was equal to Pre-TS Luffy. 2 years of training + Zoan awakening which grants even better physical stats. I think 1st mate level isn't that crazy, but I do understand if people have an issue.