Recent Chapter Discussion

[Diamond Ryan]

Really hope this samurai woman doesn't turn into another Rebecca

 

[sei'taer]

If batman and robin don't meet, I swear...

 

[ahill1]

Now Sanji's bounty is bigger than Zoro's... doesn't that mean one point less for Zoro's superiority over Sanji?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Now Sanji's bounty is bigger than Zoro's... doesn't that mean one point less for Zoro's superiority over Sanji?

Only if they were to consider this bounty comparison to be a big deal. Not that it matters, given how Zoro's role in Wano will be prominent enough for his bounty to blow Sanji's out of the park by the end of the arc.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Zoro >>> Sanji, in both character and power at this point. Not even a competition.

 

[ahill1]

Zoro >>> Sanji, in both character and power at this point. Not even a competition.

I don't agree, I think they have always been on equal footing, and I see no solid reason for it to be different now.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Zoro >>> Sanji, in both character and power at this point. Not even a competition.

I don't agree, I think they have always been on equal footing, and I see no solid reason for it to be different now.

Zoro cutting Pica's stone golem in half is far more impressive than anything Sanji has done post time skip. And bear in mind that Zoro hasn't even used Asura yet. Bounty is irrelevant, as the reason why everyone's bounties in the WCI arc jumped up so high was because they were involved in the invasion of Big Mom's territory. For example, comparing Luffy's bounty with Katakuri's would suggest that Luffy is far stronger, despite the fact that they are practically equal.

 

[ahill1]

Zoro >>> Sanji, in both character and power at this point. Not even a competition.

I don't agree, I think they have always been on equal footing, and I see no solid reason for it to be different now.

Zoro cutting Pica's stone golem in half is far more impressive than anything Sanji has done post time skip. And bear in mind that Zoro hasn't even used Asura yet. Bounty is irrelevant, as the reason why everyone's bounties in the WCI arc jumped up so high was because they were involved in the invasion of Big Mom's territory. For example, comparing Luffy's bounty with Katakuri's would suggest that Luffy is far stronger, despite the fact that they are practically equal.

Zoro cutting Pica doesn't mean that Sanji can't do the same, so it still isn't a direct comparison between their strength. Sanji never engaged on a battle against Pica, so we can only guess how he'd fare. Sanji lost against Doflamingo, a fool who Zoro would also probably have his ass kicked against, and he breaking his leg against Vergo could be explained by him not being fully prepared to take the kick, plus Vergo being stronger than every opponent Zoro has faced bar Wano, as Vergo is referred as Doflamingo's wing man by Law, whereas Pica had the same position as Diamante and Trebol.

The comparison between Zoro and Sanji replacing the two giants that have battled for 100 years non-stop, plus the douriki of their opponent's being almost equivalent are far more reliable and concrete pieces of evidence pointing to them being equivalent in strength than Zoro fighting opponents Sanji had never the chance to fight against, I'd say. I didn't say bounty is representative of strength, I just posted their now current bounty as a means to say that bounty was one of the aspects some fans would use to argue Zoro was stronger.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I don't agree, I think they have always been on equal footing, and I see no solid reason for it to be different now.

Zoro cutting Pica's stone golem in half is far more impressive than anything Sanji has done post time skip. And bear in mind that Zoro hasn't even used Asura yet. Bounty is irrelevant, as the reason why everyone's bounties in the WCI arc jumped up so high was because they were involved in the invasion of Big Mom's territory. For example, comparing Luffy's bounty with Katakuri's would suggest that Luffy is far stronger, despite the fact that they are practically equal.

Zoro cutting Pica doesn't mean that Sanji can't do the same, so it still isn't a direct comparison between their strength. Sanji never engaged on a battle against Pica, so we can only guess how he'd fare. Sanji lost against Doflamingo, a fool who Zoro would also probably have his ass kicked against, and he breaking his leg against Vergo could be explained by him not being fully prepared to take the kick, plus Vergo being stronger than every opponent Zoro has faced bar Wano, as Vergo is referred as Doflamingo's wing man by Law, whereas Pica had the same position as Diamante and Trebol.

The comparison between Zoro and Sanji replacing the two giants that have battled for 100 years non-stop, plus the douriki of their opponent's being almost equivalent are far more reliable and concrete pieces of evidence pointing to them being equivalent in strength than Zoro fighting opponents Sanji had never the chance to fight against, I'd say. I didn't say bounty is representative of strength, I just posted their now current bounty as a means to say that bounty was one of the aspects some fans would use to argue Zoro was stronger.

My point is, what has Sanji shown that can compete with the attack Zoro used to cut the golem? Sanji might be able to defeat Pica, but nothing suggests that he would be able to break it apart with a single attack. As far as I can recall, Sanji hasn't even shown hardening in any of his fights. His main shtick is speed and CoO. He might give Zoro some trouble based off of that, but at the same time Zoro's slashes are likely to be far more lethal than Sanji's kicks. Plus, there's the fact that Zoro is considered to be a member of the Worst Generation.

In any case, we'll see if Sanji will have a better portrayal in Wano than he had in WCI, and whether it will be comparable to Zoro's.

 

[ahill1]

Zoro cutting Pica's stone golem in half is far more impressive than anything Sanji has done post time skip. And bear in mind that Zoro hasn't even used Asura yet. Bounty is irrelevant, as the reason why everyone's bounties in the WCI arc jumped up so high was because they were involved in the invasion of Big Mom's territory. For example, comparing Luffy's bounty with Katakuri's would suggest that Luffy is far stronger, despite the fact that they are practically equal.

Zoro cutting Pica doesn't mean that Sanji can't do the same, so it still isn't a direct comparison between their strength. Sanji never engaged on a battle against Pica, so we can only guess how he'd fare. Sanji lost against Doflamingo, a fool who Zoro would also probably have his ass kicked against, and he breaking his leg against Vergo could be explained by him not being fully prepared to take the kick, plus Vergo being stronger than every opponent Zoro has faced bar Wano, as Vergo is referred as Doflamingo's wing man by Law, whereas Pica had the same position as Diamante and Trebol.

The comparison between Zoro and Sanji replacing the two giants that have battled for 100 years non-stop, plus the douriki of their opponent's being almost equivalent are far more reliable and concrete pieces of evidence pointing to them being equivalent in strength than Zoro fighting opponents Sanji had never the chance to fight against, I'd say. I didn't say bounty is representative of strength, I just posted their now current bounty as a means to say that bounty was one of the aspects some fans would use to argue Zoro was stronger.

My point is, what has Sanji shown that can compete with the attack Zoro used to cut the golem? Sanji might be able to defeat Pica, but nothing suggests that he would be able to break it apart with a single attack. As far as I can recall, Sanji hasn't even shown hardening in any of his fights. His main shtick is speed and CoO. He might give Zoro some trouble based off of that, but at the same time Zoro's slashes are likely to be far more lethal than Sanji's kicks. Plus, there's the fact that Zoro is considered to be a member of the Worst Generation.

In any case, we'll see if Sanji will have a better portrayal in Wano than he had in WCI, and whether it will be comparable to Zoro's.

We can't be totally sure whether Sanji can replicate Zoro's feat, but my point is that you can't strongly say that Zoro is stronger than Sanji because it's doubtful Sanji could perform that, since that's totally opinion. The fact is that there's nothing openly showing Sanji can't replicate those feats, so basing Zoro's superiority over feats we can't know whether Sanji is or not able to perform is too weak of a point in face of solid implications like Zoro and Sanji being a representation of giants whose strength are equivalent, or they facing enemies with quasi-equivalent strength. So if their standing -- in comparison to each other -- isn't shown to change, I'd rather say they are more or less the same until sormething concrete does show Zoro is >> Sanji. Saying "I don't see how Sanji could do the same" is too weak of a reason... Sanji never faced such situation before, so you have just your opinion to go by.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

To be fair on Sanji, he did deal damage to Oven comparable to what Raid Suit Niji did, off guard or not, and countered Daifuku's Genie a lot better on the Thousand Sunny than he did at the wedding ceremony. Maybe he's asspulled some gains from the battle like Luffy did when fighting Katakuri.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Not much to say about this chapter really. The guy telling that sumo wrestler that he could kill that female samurai's family to force her into being his bride was a bit surprising I suppose.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Kiku is pretty cool. Can't wait to see how Oda fucks her up like the rest of the female cast at this point.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So, they actually brought time travel into the series. This could definitely cause the series to jump the shark depending how it's used, though as long as it's limited to being just from the past into the future and is something that can no longer be used, I guess it will be tolerable.
I still don't see why Oda didn't just go with the far more realistic answer of explaining the give Wano Samurai faked their deaths rather than introducing something that could become a convoluted mess.

 

[sei'taer]

It's not like this wasn't a popular theory.

Since Momosuke met the two zou lords when they traveled with Roger 20 years ago. Either he didn't age or time was manipulated somehow.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That still doesn't make things any better, since time travel more often than not makes continuity messy and acts as a massive plot convenience. It also doesn't fit that well within the general setting of the series, as whilst OP has many sci-fi elements, it has consistency to it which time travel by default lacks.
Only way I can see this not ruining the series is if it's revealed to be a form of suspended animation, which would be fine (though still more unnecessarily convoluted than just saying they faked their deaths and put body doubles in the graves). Aokiji would be the most likely choice if so, seeing as how he has enough of a differing brand of justice to most Marines as to plausibly aid Oden's group and even has a technique called Ice Time Capsule.

 

[SSJ2]

Time travel? Ida better have a grand explanation for this or I will be disappointed.

 

[SSJ2]

Aside from the time travelling bs, I have been enjoying Wano up to this point. It feels promising.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Looks like the explanation for the time travel was as cheap as you get. At least it can only bring someone forward rather than backward, so it's user it dead, so it's nowhere near as big a plot convenience as it could have been and one of the few tolerable uses of time travel (for now, at least). Still disappointing compared to the several alternative explanations that could've been given such as suspended animation.

Still an overall disappointing chapter, seeing as how it was just a long infodump with a few details that could've been easily shortened and despite the planning that seem to be made, any semblance of strategy will probably be thrown out of the window as usual due to Zoro causing a commotion on the wharf or Luffy just being Luffy.

 

[sei'taer]

Oh yes, suspended animation is so much better than time travel.