Recent Chapter Discussion

[Papasmurf]

Apparently Galu going SSJB like 3x and outperforming Vegeta in the last chapter was foreshadowing that he was really >>>> him

 

[xenos5]

I've heard that Goku didn't even know himself he could go "Mastered Super Saiyan Blue" and Vegeta just somehow found out Goku could do it when his consciousness was fused with Goku as Vegito. If that's the case it sounds like the knowledge came from nowhere (or out of Toyble's ass more precisely).

 

[xenos5]

This chapter essentially

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's his fault that he didn't finish Black right away.

 

[Future Warrior]

So Goku mastered SSB by absorbing all that Ki into himself? Why couldn't he do that before?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

So Goku mastered SSB by absorbing all that Ki into himself? Why couldn't he do that before?

Because Ass Pull

 

[Pyro]

I've been a big proponent of the manga, but chapter 23 and now this asstastic shitty booty shit is really dragging down my faith. It's also somewhat ironic that the manga has taken a noticeable dip in quality while the anime has actually (in my opinion) taken a clear hike in quality.

But perhaps most of this could be attributed to Toriyama himself. It's his notes that both Toei and Toyotaro have to follow. Goku standing up to Merged Zamasu seems likely to be something AT penned, and both mediums have gone about it differently (currently I think Toei did it better, but we'll see). I can't place 100% of the blame on the people that have to follow a dumbass idea in the first place.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Still no translation yet?

 

[Pyro]

Not a full one. The whole chapter hasn't been leaked yet, knob.

 

[ahill1]

Wanna know whose is the fault?

Spoiler

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Wanna know whose is the fault?

Spoiler

:9000

 

[VampireWicked]

So Goku mastered SSB by absorbing all that Ki into himself? Why couldn't he do that before?

Haven't read the manga or gotten far into SUPER, i've just gotten to Goku starting training with Vegeta on Beerus & Whis's planet lol.

Anyway my wild guess is from the english dubbed early episode what Whis was explaining where Goku & Vegeta were mastering their abilities wise & the whole SuperSaiyan etc levels thing would be about as high as that small tree & where they have to go is the top of the castle, i think it makes sense.


I think it makes sense because even though SUPER seems to be all over the place in explaining how who got where, it makes sense because SUPER seems more of developing techniques, skills, & abilities, & not just raw power something Z lost.

From how Whis explains to Vegeta before taking him on as a student how he went about training harder through brute force isn't going to get him anywhere & it kinda makes sense to me here that Goku & hopefully Vegeta are gaining new abilities now cause that means there's still things they're capable of but haven't figured out yet.

And i like that concept, SuperSaiyan God isn't just another transformation they can simply walk up & instantly master or a simple power level acquired & BOOM. That's it.

It's Godki, divine power.
Power that shook the universe when Goku first gained that power, so of there should be so much more, lifetimes of things he could do & hasn't learned yet.

SuperSaiyan Godki shouldn't be even close to being mastered anytime soon i think.

 

[xenos5]

English translation is out https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/digital/dragon-ball-super-chapter-24/5794?read=1

Mastered SSB is undeniably Toyo's version of Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken -_- (and it wouldn't make sense for Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken to be matching Merged Zamasu let alone this form). It's so damn stupid for the form to not be able to contain its own power without the users body breaking down. It contradicts how forms have worked up to this point COMPLETELY. The entire point of transformations thus far is to basically adapt and become a better container for the excess power within you. Manga Super Saiyan Blue is bullshit in that it just adds to your power and can't sustain itself as if you're just using Super Saiyan Blue level power in a weaker form. Containing power that you already have should not make you stronger. If Super Saiyan Blue is this strong at full power but that fullpower can't be used for long than WHY couldn't Vegeta just oneshot Goku Black the moment he went into SSB before the power could be drained? This explanation makes NO sense.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I'll read it later once I'm finish watching a movie.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Done reading, that chapter wasn't bad at all. The chapter itself explained it very well, Trunks didn't knew he has that ability to heal someone and that Mastered FPSSjin was explained as well.

 

[Future Warrior]

So apparently it was revealed that Goku was always in a completely different league than Vegeta and Vegeta himself realized this when they were merged as Vegetto. Also, it was never really implied that MSSB Goku gave the form a power boost or anything, just that he can fight at 100% for a much longer duration. It was implied that Goku actually already knew that he was able to master SSB but didn't bother trying cause he didn't think his body would be able to handle it.

SSB Vegetto >> Merged Zamasu ~ MSSB Goku/SSB Goku (FP) >>> SSB Vegeta > SS Rose Goku Black

This causes so many plot holes. Why didn't Goku fight Rose Black instead of Vegeta and finished him off? Why did he feel as though he wanted to team-up against Rose Black and felt nervous? Was he trying to hide his power for Vegeta's sake? This shit is so confusing.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

The manga can't compete with One Piece or AoT

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

So apparently it was revealed that Goku was always in a completely different league than Vegeta and Vegeta himself realized this when they were merged as Vegetto. Also, it was never really implied that MSSB Goku gave the form a power boost or anything, just that he can fight at 100% for a much longer duration. It was implied that Goku actually already knew that he was able to master SSB but didn't bother trying cause he didn't think his body would be able to handle it.

SSB Vegetto >> Merged Zamasu ~ MSSB Goku/SSB Goku (FP) >>> SSB Vegeta > SS Rose Goku Black

This causes so many plot holes. Why didn't Goku fight Rose Black instead of Vegeta and finished him off? Why did he feel as though he wanted to team-up against Rose Black and felt nervous? Was he trying to hide his power for Vegeta's sake? This shit is so confusing.

Because Goku planned to seal Future Zamasu?

 

[Future Warrior]

So apparently it was revealed that Goku was always in a completely different league than Vegeta and Vegeta himself realized this when they were merged as Vegetto. Also, it was never really implied that MSSB Goku gave the form a power boost or anything, just that he can fight at 100% for a much longer duration. It was implied that Goku actually already knew that he was able to master SSB but didn't bother trying cause he didn't think his body would be able to handle it.

SSB Vegetto >> Merged Zamasu ~ MSSB Goku/SSB Goku (FP) >>> SSB Vegeta > SS Rose Goku Black

This causes so many plot holes. Why didn't Goku fight Rose Black instead of Vegeta and finished him off? Why did he feel as though he wanted to team-up against Rose Black and felt nervous? Was he trying to hide his power for Vegeta's sake? This shit is so confusing.

Because Goku planned to seal Future Zamasu?

1st visit to the future I meant.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

This causes so many plot holes. Why didn't Goku fight Rose Black instead of Vegeta and finished him off? Why did he feel as though he wanted to team-up against Rose Black and felt nervous? Was he trying to hide his power for Vegeta's sake? This shit is so confusing.

The best answer I could probably give to this would be that Zamasu got in the way before Goku could do anything and his immortality proved too much of a hindrance for Goku to focus on Black.
Still doesn't explain how SS2 Vegeta can be superior to SS3 Goku yet still be far inferior on even grounds. I guess this also probably confirms that Vegeta also didn't gain much from the Rosat, considering his utilisation of SSB's full power during the Black rematch was a precursor to what Galu's doing now.

The manga can't compete with One Piece or AoT

It's still superior to the pretentious trainwreck that is Attack on Titties. 2