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[Animelover5487]

Yeah, but then the series'll end so still nothing for Bootleg Freeza.

Not necessarily. Toriyama implied in the most recent Q&A that Toyo's manga may go past Toei's version of Super.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, but then the series'll end so still nothing for Bootleg Freeza.

Not necessarily. Toriyama implied in the most recent Q&A that Toyo's manga may go past Toei's version of Super.

Did he? I thought he just said something like somethings will be different in the manga and to look forward to it.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Super Saiyans = Base Freeza >> Frost > Piccolo > Base Saiyans > U9 Fighters > Humans

I'd say it's more like Super Saiyans ~ Freeza > Frost > Piccolo > Strongest U9 fighters >> Base Saiyans ~ Humans

Nothing implies the Saiyans are much stronger than they were at the U6 tournament, where True form Frost was closer to SSJ tier than to Base Saiyan tier, with Piccolo not being too far behind him, and Base Gohan still struggled with Basil alone.

And Vegeta in the Manga trained in the Room of time?

Nothing implies he did so for the ToP.

 

[SIAD]

Super Saiyans = Base Freeza >> Frost > Piccolo > Base Saiyans > U9 Fighters > Humans

I'd say it's more like Super Saiyans ~ Freeza > Frost > Piccolo > Strongest U9 fighters >> Base Saiyans ~ Humans

Nothing implies the Saiyans are much stronger than they were at the U6 tournament, where True form Frost was closer to SSJ tier than to Base Saiyan tier, with Piccolo not being too far behind him, and Base Gohan still struggled with Basil alone.

And Vegeta in the Manga trained in the Room of time?

Nothing implies he did so for the ToP.

So Goku and Vegeta are the same in ToP Manga? Unlike the Anime, since Vegeta duplicates the power of Goku in equal forms in the ToP.

   What scale of powers do you have for the Humans, Saiyajins and Piccolo in the ToP Manga?

Do you still have the SSJ multiplier = 2.5x Base in the ToP Manga?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Goku and Vegeta are the same in ToP Manga? Unlike the Anime, since Vegeta duplicates the power of Goku in equal forms in the ToP.

Yeah. Nothing implies Vegeta is the top dog of the team, which would be so if he went into the Rosat.

What scale of powers do you have for the Humans, Saiyajins and Piccolo in the ToP Manga?

If we have Base Goku as a 100, then...

Base Goku/Vegeta - 100
SSJ Goku/Vegeta - 250
Base Gohan - 210
Piccolo - 220
Kuririn - 87.5
Tenshinhan - 87
Roshi - 60
Manly GAINZ Roshi - 87

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Just read Chapter 33. Pretty cool tbh, though i expected some dudes who fared good on the anime to not be instantly fodderized, like the Yardratian and that dude on the armor. Though i liked to see 17 and 18 in action.

Wonder what's gonna happen between Frost, Freeza and the earthlings next chapter. I'll be so fucking mad at Toyotaro if he throws away Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Roshi that soon.

Or powerscaling, it seems like almost everyone is < Base Saiyan level, with most of the Pride Troopers between Base and SSJ.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What the fuck? Did Kuririn just got to be the first dude to lose on the tournament? He was so cool on the anime, why he had to be the Tenshinhan of the team on the manga?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

What the fuck? Did Kuririn just got to be the first dude to lose on the tournament? He was so cool on the anime, why he had to be the Tenshinhan of the team on the manga?

To be fair, being caught off guard is in some ways not as humiliating as having his strongest attack tanked and being oneshotted in a straight fight like Tenshithands.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah. I posted this right before seeing Tenshinhan lose. Still mad to see both were fodderized either way.

That was quite a better chapter than the last overall. I particularly liked Piccolo's hesitation on beating the final dude from the universe 9. Gohan vs Trio de Danger had a hell of a coreography too, really cool fight.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So, the power scaling apparently goes like this?

SSJs ~ Base Freeza >> Frost > Piccolo >=< Pride Troopers > Base Saiyans > U9 Fighters >>> Earthlings

 

[Captain Cadaver]

As I said before, it's probably closer to Super Saiyans ~ Freeza > Frost > Piccolo > Base Gohan > Strongest U9 fighters >> Base Goku/Vegeta ~ Humans

Frost still struggled with some U9 fighters who never stepped up to take down Piccolo, so the two would be fairly close just like at the U6 tournament. Freeza also waiting until Frost had worn himself out shows he can't beat him easily when both are at their full stamina.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The Gohan in your chain is the current power we've seen from Gohan, right? He was considered really important for the outcome of the tournament when the team was being recruited, and i think Piccolo told him to not go all out from the start.

What's up with earthlings ~ Base Saiyans though? They haven't showed any feats to imply they're much different from their Boo Arc selves. Tenshinhan even got his Kikoho completely tanked by Frost.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The Gohan in your chain is the current power we've seen from Gohan, right? He was considered really important for the outcome of the tournament when the team was being recruited, and i think Piccolo told him to not go all out from the start.

Yes. His display against the Trio de Dangers would suggest his base self is still somewhat below Piccolo, seeing as how he was pushed back by Basil.

What's up with earthlings ~ Base Saiyans though? They haven't showed any feats to imply they're much different from their Boo Arc selves. Tenshinhan even got his Kikoho completely tanked by Frost.

Tenshithands and Roshi were still capable of blocking a few hits from Frost and Roshi seemed to act as though Goku was underestimating him, and Frost is far closer to the SSJs than he is to their base selves. Having the humans be that strong seems pretty necessary for them to avoid getting oneshotted by Frost's casual punches when full effort or not, he was still fighting to win.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Pretty sure Frost wasn't even trying here considering the tank right after that. Do you think Tenshinhan could be able to block hits from Semi Cell? Hell no. Frost's advantage over Tenshinhan is way bigger Cell's over him.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Ten only used the regular Kikoho though, plus even if bluffing, I doubt Roshi would act as though he had any sort of chance in facing Frost to Galu and believe he could get away with it.

Either that, of Toyo's making Tenshinhan the U7 jobber and Kuririn > Manly GAINZ Roshi >> Base Roshi >>> Tenshithands.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Now i quite need a Toyo version of

 

[SIAD]

Apparently Tenshinhan used only a normal Kikoho and not the Shin Kikoho.

 

[SIAD]

So Goku and Vegeta are the same in ToP Manga? Unlike the Anime, since Vegeta duplicates the power of Goku in equal forms in the ToP.

Yeah. Nothing implies Vegeta is the top dog of the team, which would be so if he went into the Rosat.

What scale of powers do you have for the Humans, Saiyajins and Piccolo in the ToP Manga?

If we have Base Goku as a 100, then...

Base Goku/Vegeta - 100
SSJ Goku/Vegeta - 250
Base Gohan - 210
Piccolo - 220
Kuririn - 87.5
Tenshinhan - 87
Roshi - 60
Manly GAINZ Roshi - 87

Good list Where would you place the Androids and Frost?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If we have Base Goku as a 100, then...

Base Goku/Vegeta - 100
SSJ Goku/Vegeta - 250
Base Gohan - 210
Piccolo - 220
Kuririn - 87.5
Tenshinhan - 87
Roshi - 60
Manly GAINZ Roshi - 87

Good list Where would you place the Androids and Frost?

#17 - 1,100
#18 - 140
Frost - 225

 

[Fantastische Hure]

As I said before, it's probably closer to Super Saiyans ~ Freeza > Frost > Piccolo > Base Gohan > Strongest U9 fighters >> Base Goku/Vegeta ~ Humans

Frost still struggled with some U9 fighters who never stepped up to take down Piccolo, so the two would be fairly close just like at the U6 tournament. Freeza also waiting until Frost had worn himself out shows he can't beat him easily when both are at their full stamina.

To be fair though I got the feeling that Frost was losing stamina with each opponent he was fighting and that's partially why he was struggling more with some others.