Since the bandwagon for this has appeared...

[Captain Cadaver]

I can buy that explanation but if inexperience has to do with it, shouldn't Killua have been able to overpower Zushi since the latter was equally inexperienced in it?

I'm speaking purely in terms of Nen mastery when it comes to inexperience. Zebro is also shown to have pretty bad stamina for how much pressure opening one gate put on him too, plus we never saw what his combat abilities are like compared to far more powerful Nen users. It can also be that Zebro had pretty bad Enhancement abilities due to it possibly not being close to his natural affinity, which would make sense when Nen users of far different types aren't that durable (eg. Neon, Komugi, etc.).

As for my other question, based on your explanation it can be pretty much assumed that characters are constantly distributing aura throughout their body parts when they attack, even if it's not visually seen?

Most likely from Greed Island and onward, unless directly stated otherwise. The only exception would be for the Chimera Ants prior to learning Nen, since they're already naturally stronger than the average Nen user physically.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why do you think Hunter's art is magically WORSE on average than YYH despite Togashi(t) needing to stick to a much more consistent serialization schedule in the latter, to the point that other than badly drawn panels in the Sensui and Three Kings arcs, almost nothing in YYH looks as bad as post-Yorknew (but pre-Dark Continent I s'ppose) HxH? Even the Sensui arc has more well-drawn panels than Greed Island in its entirety despite GI being longer and Togashi taking loads of hiatuses to "fix" his magazine artowrk. I also don't believe Togashi's "health issues" are a reason given that Togashi would've been in his 30s for the first 3-4 arcs of Hunter, and probably had time off since the abrupt ending of YYH to recover (and most of his health issues at the time just seemed to stem from his inability to cope with a weekly deadline like other SJ artists; let's not forget that Kazuki Takahashi [YGO] and Oda both went to the fucking hospital during serialization, with Takahashi in particular vomiting so much blood that he lost a third or fourth of his blood and they still didn't take anywhere near as many hiatuses as Togashi. In fact, Arakawa [FMA] didn't take a hiatus while giving fucking childbirth).

Bonus points if you don't answer with laziness or Dragon Quest 2

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say the consistent schedule is what helped with YYH as it allowed Togashi to become more aware of what his style was far the series rather than having constant experiments as with HxH's art after Yorknew (the only parts I'd say ended up being more experimental shifts in style were during the Three Kings Arc) as well as it being more essential that he do his best to stick to a consistent standard when he was just a upcoming artist in Jump back in the 90s, compared to the following decades where the sales of both his main series had cemented a permanent career in Jump without the pressure to constantly keep things to a reasonable standard (ie. I answered with laziness without answering with laziness ).

 

[Future Warrior]

When do you think Togashi came up with the concept of Nen? As early as chapter 1?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

There were hints to it in the Hunter Exams such as Gon unknowingly using Zetsu when tracking Hisoka, Hisoka's aura and use of Shu through his cards, etc. so he may have had it in mind since the start (especially considering he'd already had a Ki power system in YYH and had tried to turn that into what Nen would become before the power creep of his previous series ruined that idea). He definitely didn't think about fleshing out some elements of its usage in the world until after the Hunter Exam at least though when considering how basic Togari's fighting style was against Hisoka despite it being revealed all members of the Hunter Association chosen as examiners have some proficiency in Nen.

 

[Future Warrior]

You don't believe he used enhancement + manipulation on those blades?

 

[Papasmurf]

You don't believe he used enhancement + manipulation on those blades?

Who the fuck takes 6 months to learn how to throw knives if they can be manipulated with Nen?

 

[Future Warrior]

He said 6 months to catch the knifes.

 

[Papasmurf]

Something that basic shouldn't take a Hunter Examiner half a year to master with manipulation Nen lmao

 

[Future Warrior]

That’s why Hisoka beat the fuck out of him the previous year.

 

[Papasmurf]

If he was a Nen user he should've either been able to psychically control the knives or at least be able to form energy blades similar to Gon's Scissor attack so he can attack from a distance. No way his character was constructed with proper Nen abilities at the time lol. Not to mention Hunter Exams Hisoka got whacked in the face by Gon's fishing rod back when Gon was literally an ant to any Hunter.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm not arguing over whether it was intended for it to be Nen, I just like things to be consistent. I don't think there's there's anything contradictory in assuming he's an untalented Nen user at the time.

 

[Papasmurf]

Putting Nen into objects isn't even a Hatsu, and considering that even Kalluto has a Hatsu despite being like 10 and not even a registered Hunter, I am 100% sure Togashi at best had a vague idea of Nen at the time as just life energy. Plus, he had a whole year to train since his last battle with Hisoka. Even if he had no Hatsu for some reason the year before, it's retarded to assume the best he could do after a year of additional training was to just imbue his knives with Nen (a trick much more basic than any Hatsu).

 

[Future Warrior]

Enhancers don't use Hatsu's the same way other categories do. Think of Gido.

I don't care whether the idea of Nen was there or not.

 

[Papasmurf]

Gon and Uvo were both Enhancers and they named their Nen charged punches, which seemed to enhance the effects of the attack. All this dude managed was throwing and catching knives, a feat Hisoka could pull off even without Bungee Gum. Even supposing he could use Nen, evidently all he could do was pump Nen into his knives (without even being able to manipulate them) despite a year of training, and even with that all he managed to do was cause very light injuries on Hisoka during a time in which Illumi could have his arm broken by an injured Gon (showing Togashi really hadn't planned power chains or jack shit at the time).

Whether he was using Nen or not, he was so weak for a trained Hunter Examiner that his existence in of itself is basically a plot hole. The 1999 anime was right to downgrade him to a mere examinee, since that's more believable with him taking 6 months to learn how to catch throwing knives :elmo

 

[Future Warrior]

Togari also named his attack. I'm not saying he already had this grand plan for Nen from the start, I'm just merely trying to reconcile.

Also, I'm not even sure what Gon breaking Illumi's arm contradicts anything. There's no reason to assume he was using any defensive Nen, plus Gon was enraged at the time.

Hisoka attacked him the previous year because he thought he was unfit as an examiner. You keep saying he's weak but that's literally the point.

 

[Papasmurf]

Togari also named his attack. I'm not saying he already had this grand plan for Nen from the start, I'm just merely trying to reconcile.

Also, I'm not even sure what Gon breaking Illumi's arm contradicts anything. There's no reason to assume he was using any defensive Nen, plus Gon was enraged at the time.

Togari named the knife throwing technique itself, it didn't seem like he made it a vow like Gon having to shout "First comes rock!" or Uvo saying "Big Bang Impact" every time he uses his Nen enhanced punch.

Gon breaking Illumi's arm while injured is complete garbage since Illumi can easily open all the gates in his house, and Gon after weeks of training could barely open one. Even supposing he didn't use Ten or Ken his body alone should be trained enough to withstand Gon's grip lol, this is like if Meruem broke his arm because Nobunaga hit him with the blunt edge of his sword despite the massive power difference.

Hisoka attacked him the previous year because he thought he was unfit as an examiner. You keep saying he's weak but that's literally the point.

Hisoka clearly thought highly of the average examiner judging by him attacking that butler looking dude to see if he was a trained Hunter. This nigga trained for a year and spent half that time learning to catch knives, that in of itself is a plot hole. Imagine if Roshi, a human trained in Ki manipulation already took like 6 years to learn how to fly when Videl did it in a few days. That's how stupid this is, taking the whole "Hunters must learn to master Nen before they can use their license" shit into account retroactively.

 

[Future Warrior]

I don't really see the difference, but whatever. Gido gave a name to a hatsu that was essentially just spinning tops with Nen and possibly some manipulation.

Fair enough if you believe it's a plot hole, I can't really say you're objectively wrong. I just don't think it's any more inconsistent that Gon beating Nobunaga in arm wrestling despite being much weaker in both physical strength and aura output.

It isn't any more stupid than Gon and Killua learning techniques in a few days that take most Hunters months to years to do. Talent matters (unfortunately I guess?)

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It isn't any more stupid than Gon and Killua learning techniques in a few days that take most Hunters months to years to do. Talent matters (unfortunately I guess?)

To be fair though, Gon and Killua also had the fortune of encountering the right Nen teachers to do so (Biscuit in particular), of who wouldn't just tutor any Hunter or Nen user that lacked not only the talent, but the strength of character.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't really see the difference, but whatever. Gido gave a name to a hatsu that was essentially just spinning tops with Nen and possibly some manipulation.

Togari didn't even display manipulation is what makes the difference. Literally the best performance we can infer he showed was just enhancing his knives with Shu, and he didn't even have a contingency plan for someone else stealing/catching his knives. For an examiner (however incompetent) who trained for a year after his defeat, he was a loser of retardedly massive proportions.

Fair enough if you believe it's a plot hole, I can't really say you're objectively wrong. I just don't think it's any more inconsistent that Gon beating Nobunaga in arm wrestling despite being much weaker in both physical strength and aura output.

Nobunaga already beat Gon at least 5 times before that, plus he seemed to be taken by surprise at Gon's sudden burst of power. If he gave it his all I'm sure Nobu would've won regardless, plus this was after Gon learned all the basics of Nen. In the Hunter Exams he didn't know shit.

It isn't any more stupid than Gon and Killua learning techniques in a few days that take most Hunters months to years to do. Talent matters (unfortunately I guess?)

Zushi seemed like a loser compared to most Hunters considering there are less than 80 Hunters in the world and his talent was only one in 100,000 (meaning there are hundreds of thousands of people like him). Yet he could still use Nen basics like Gyo, Ten, etc. at a young age. If this faggot was really a trained Hunter Examiner a year before the series began and trained the whole time since his defeat, this battle shouldn't have gone the way it did. He'd still have lost, but to lose to a Hisoka who didn't even activate his Nen powers is just embarrassing, plus the 6 months thing is just