SSG3 Trunks vs. 50% FPSS Goku

[Pakl]

Vegeta doesnt know how strong Goku was as he was walking

He also claimed Cell was weaker because of he was smal

 

[ahill1]

Resting goku and warm up Goku are the same... they are natural... Goku just powered up for Korrin... At the very least 50% MSSjin Goku >> warm up Goku

Vegeta says he is superior so he must have thought Goku 50% was his max... I already countered those arguents, Kyo you are presistent

Vegeta at least suspected that Goku SSJ [50%] was not his Full Power.

 

[ahill1]

1- I'm not really sure why. It could be that he considered the possibility of Goku being weaker than him, but was in denial and didn't want to believe that it was possible at the same time. It could also be that he took Goku's incredibly calm nature to mean that Goku would be confident no matter what.

Either way, as far as Vegeta's thoughts on Goku's power go, I think there are two options:
a) He thought for sure Goku would be weaker than him
b) Part of him considered the possibility that Goku was stronger, while part of him denied it, hence why he was still shocked and crushed at 50% Goku's display

2- He did do a power-up. He had to have done one no matter what, imo, whether you think Warm up = 50% or 10%. I mean, it's not like he's gonna go to sleep at the power he plans on using to fight Cell. We just didn't see it, kinda like 50% Freeza on Namek. I think he can bypass the lengthy power-up, like he did in the Boo arc when he instantly turned SSJ3, he just took a long time the first time for show.

2 - So there is a contradiction in your thoughts, Kyo. You said that any level + Power up = aura, and yet Goku had not one.

 

[Zippy]

Resting goku and warm up Goku are the same... they are natural... Goku just powered up for Korrin... At the very least 50% MSSjin Goku >> warm up Goku

Vegeta says he is superior so he must have thought Goku 50% was his max... I already countered those arguents, Kyo you are presistent

That doesnt make any sense, he admitted goku was suprior after he showed what he thought was his full power?
Why not before then? Either way he was surpassed there would be no reason for him to act high and mighty before when he is still surpassed then act scared because he knows he is surpassed...even more than before.

Edit: theres literally no proof vegeta didnt know how strong goku was when he was "walking"

 

[Kyo]

You said that any level + Power up = aura, and yet Goku had not one.

Didn't have one when? He stopped powering up.

 

[ahill1]

You said that any level + Power up = aura, and yet Goku had not one.

Didn't have one when? He stopped powering up.

If Goku SSJ [Warm up] >> Goku SSJ [normal state], so he should had an aura since he powered up, and yet he had not.

 

[Kyo]

No, he shouldn't. I've been arguing against that this whole time.

 

[ahill1]

No, he shouldn't. I've been arguing against that this whole time.

I don't get your point... You told that a power + power up = aura, that is, the aura is manifested in the moment the character is doing a power up. If Goku did a power up, why he had not an aura in the moment he was doing ?

 

[SSJ2]

No, he said that while powering up you have an aura. It's clear that Goku was 50% with no aura after the power up was done.

 

[ahill1]

No, he said that while powering up you have an aura. It's clear that Goku was 50% with no aura after the power up was done.

Not my point. If Goku SSJ [Warm up] >> Goku SSJ [normal state], so he did a power up. Yet he had not an aura in the moment he was doing the power up.

 

[Zippy]

Probably because he remained in his warm up state. Being prepared for the cell games and all.

 

[SSJ2]

No, he said that while powering up you have an aura. It's clear that Goku was 50% with no aura after the power up was done.

Not my point. If Goku SSJ [Warm up] >> Goku SSJ [normal state], so he did a power up. Yet he had not an aura in the moment he was doing the power up.

Going from resting ki to fighting ki doesn't require a power up.

 

[Kyo]

He powered up for flare the first time, he generally doesn't need to do one. Most of the Saiyans tend to do this when revealing a new level of power. It's like how Goku took forever to go SSJ3 the first time but then did it instantly later.

 

[ahill1]

He powered up for flare the first time, he generally doesn't need to do one. Most of the Saiyans tend to do this when revealing a new level of power. It's like how Goku took forever to go SSJ3 the first time but then did it instantly later.

Where would you have Goku SSJ [normal state] ?

 

[Kyo]

Idk, stronger than Chi Chi I guess.

 

[Zippy]

Lol

 

[ahill1]

He powered up for flare the first time, he generally doesn't need to do one. Most of the Saiyans tend to do this when revealing a new level of power. It's like how Goku took forever to go SSJ3 the first time but then did it instantly later.

Goku did power back down and stayed for 9 days at the same relaxed state he was... Piccolo even called it an " every day level ". But like I said above, he had to have powered up again before fighting Cell, otherwise he would not be able to compete with Warm Up Cell [way stronger than Super Vegeta], since like AcceAttorney pointed out, Vegeta > Goku ( normal state ). Whether his warm up against Cell was 30% or 50% he still needed to power up.

 

[Kyo]

Yes, he powered up, my initial point hinged entirely on this point. He just didn't make a big show of it the second time.

 

[Papasmurf]

Idk, stronger than Chi Chi I guess.

Please. Chi Chi > Cell. Why else would Goku rather die with Cell than live with Chichi for 7 years?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Idk, stronger than Chi Chi I guess.

Please. Chi Chi > Cell. Why else would Goku rather die with Cell than live with Chichi for 7 years?

To save the earth?