Tao Pai Pai (1st appearence) vs Yamcha (22nd Budokai)

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The level of strength Goku used to defeat Pamput was already stronger than Yamcha since Tenshinhan said that the tournament was finally getting "interesting" and Tsuru only said he "may" have beat Tao, not definitely. And even Chun doesn't believe Goku at first beat Tao. Kuririn and Yamcha would be praised alot heavier if they were already as strong as Tao.

Tsuru also repeats the same might at the end of the Kuririn fight when he performed his blitz using his match strength.

Goku used the same invisible hits tactic to finish both Pamput and Kuririn so the way I see it is that Goku was using his true match level strength in bursts in those instances similar to what he did against the Ginyu Force and that was what Tsuru was saying was stronger than Tao but the gap isn't big.

Interesting pointz, but I disagree with the last one. Goku used much lower speed against Pamput and everybody could see him. I think Tsuru’s reaction to Goku vs Pamput was more like “Ok this isn’t some random kid” while Goku vs Kuririn was more definitive.

Do you have numbers for that? No scouters ofc.

 

[Animelover5487]

Interesting pointz, but I disagree with the last one. Goku used much lower speed against Pamput and everybody could see him. I think Tsuru’s reaction to Goku vs Pamput was more like “Ok this isn’t some random kid” while Goku vs Kuririn was more definitive.

Do you have numbers for that? No scouters ofc.

I am not sure. Should Tao be stronger than Tsuru or even Chun?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I am not sure. Should Tao be stronger than Tsuru or even Chun?

If we join both Tsuru’s “He may have beaten Tao” and Roshi’s “He may have surpassed even me” at face value, we get Match Goku (22TB) = Battle Goku (Post Karin) > Roshi = Tao.

If in doubt just do Tsuru = Tao since they have the same role lol

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Jackie Chun and Tsuru-sennin were definitely in denial about Goku defeating Tao 3 years ago because of his reputation as the "number 1 assassin" rather than his power. For all we know, Tao could've easily ambushed and killed Goku even after training with Karin since he still give Goku a hard time during their rematch.