The Canonicity Of BOG and FNF
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They have better standing than GT, at least by Toriyama's perspective. Until Super elaborates on some of the continuity errors, I wouldn't deem it worthy of a coherent personal canon, but hey, that's where the BoG multiverse plot point comes in handy.
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AT said it's Canon so I don't see why not.
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Does anyone mind filling me in on the 'plotholes' of BoG or RoF? I never truly heard of this, but I've seen the idea of them getting tossed around. Only things I can think of are Bra and Pan's births, which is understandable as there are sources saying Bra is older and younger than Pan.
As for canonicity, I'd say BoG, RoF, and DBS are official canon.
As for canonicity, I'd say BoG, RoF, and DBS are official canon.
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Its 100% canon. Toriyama said it was part of the official timeline.
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- Goku and Vegeta being on God tier contradicts Goku believing someone as strong as Pure Boo may win the Tenkaichi Budokai.Bardock said:
- Bulma states in one of the last chapters that the last time she saw Goku was 5 years ago, when he was busy training. This would fit in with BoG, but not FnF.
- Freeza was assured that he was the strongest in the universe, despite acknowledging Beerus and Boo as having been his superiors in FnF.
- Vegeta's rage boost contradicts any sense of logic with rage boosts, being far greater than any of Gohan's despite the latter having been had his potential power hyped up throughout the majority of DBZ.
There's also the infamous implication of Freeza > Base Goku (Boo Arc), but that can be easily argued against and explained via the context.
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Your Bardock from Neo the right?Bardock said:
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Captain Cadaver said:
-When was it stated that Buu would win the Budokai? Was that in the last chapters? I don't remember seeing that.
-I can understand this mostly. Or maybe RoF wasn't big enough of a deal and Bulma just thought over it. As if she's exaggerating, but I doubt that's the reason.
-I remember reading in the manga that Freeza states he is one of the strongest, also including the fact that King Cold had a power very much like his own.
-Vegeta's rage boost made sense to me. He was already near Goku's power, so his Rage boost basically boosted him passed the SsJ3 multiplier which resides at 4x SsJ2. Given Gohan's rage boosts, a 5x multiplier aor anything like that isn't surprising. Although, it doesn't seem the most logical.
I don't think Goku could take Freeza 100% at base form. I see no evidence showing that he actually gained enough strength to be 50x what he was during the Freeza arc, to what he is in the Boo Arc. My main thoughts come from the fact that a multiplier as small as 2x changed worlds completely when Gohan fought Cell, so Goku becoming 50x without some new training method is ridiculous if you ask me.[/quote]
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AT stated the movies (BOG, ROF) were written as if they were a continuation as a part of the manga's original storyline.
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According to some people, this isn't contradictory and Uub is just god tierCaptain Cadaver said:
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They aren't canon to me. Why? I don't like em. Simple.
Like, sometimes I'll think to myself "I gotta go take a bog".
Like, sometimes I'll think to myself "I gotta go take a bog".
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They do not fit in with my personal canon as they contradict the 28th Budokai. If DB Super can find a way to make Goku and Vegeta lose all of their power (I seriously doubt this will happen), then I may consider calling them canon.
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It fits for me, too much nitpicking is being had
There are a few this that irk me but it's good for the most part
There are a few this that irk me but it's good for the most part
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Gohan losing his Elder Kaioshin potential unlock was the nail in the coffin for me.
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Don't know if he lost it
I'm under the impression that goku and vegeta simply just surpassed everyone, beerus gives 2 indicators as such
I'm under the impression that goku and vegeta simply just surpassed everyone, beerus gives 2 indicators as such
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Inconsistency doesn't matter, that values the quality of the series, not if it's canon, and with AT saying it's canon
I dont see much of an argument tbh
I dont see much of an argument tbh
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I'm okay with them being canon, but I absolutely hate when certain people try to use this to prove Kid Boo was more powerful than any version of Super Boo. It's basically saying Boo had gotten significantly weaker when he absorbed Gohan and Gotenks--and that Kid Boo's at a level capable of giving Super Vegito a fight or winning. So yeah, Gotenks Boo saying he's the strongest version of Boo up to that point and Goku believing Vegito would thrash Kid Boo are inaccurate...
That's what happens when you try to retroactively use Goku's quote (wanting to be at 100% before fighting Oob and believing he could win the tournament) to refer to something that didn't exist back then. This also ignores how Goku never thought Godly Power on that level ever existed, much less reachable through normal means.
But eh, whatever people can use to give Kid Boo the advantage, I suppose.
That's what happens when you try to retroactively use Goku's quote (wanting to be at 100% before fighting Oob and believing he could win the tournament) to refer to something that didn't exist back then. This also ignores how Goku never thought Godly Power on that level ever existed, much less reachable through normal means.
But eh, whatever people can use to give Kid Boo the advantage, I suppose.
