The Captain's assortment of random numbers

[SIAD]

If you had to put Future Dabura on this list. What PL would you put?

Based on those numbers I would have it with approximately 72,000,000,000.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Somewhere between 65-70bil. I'll go with 66bil just to fit with his demon motif.

 

[SIAD]

I really like your theory of nerfing the fusion multipliers so that I can freely have Gotenks SSJ (Pre)> Goku SSJ3 (Boo) >>>> Gotenks Base (Pre) >> Goku SSJ2 (Boo). Also not to have Gohan hundreds of times more powerful than Goku SSJ3.

As for Vegetto, I strongly agree that his SSJ multiplier is not nerfed due to Super Vegetto effortlessly humiliating Gohan Boo. Also to call Vegetto SSJ (Boo)> = Baby Vegeta Base. It also helps this thought that Kibitoshin did not expect Super Vegetto to become so strong despite knowing the power of Vegetto Base. Then Ro Kaioshin tells him that it is not surprising that they achieved such power since they are both tremendous Warriors and are rivals. Everything indicates that the drive to be tremendous warriors and rivals served so that their SSJ multipliers did not nerf. Surely Goku and the others expected Super Vegetto to be only 2.5x Vegetto Base.

Now my question is for a hypothetical Gogeta. Goku knew that Gokhan SSJ3 (Fusion Dance) could defeat Gotenks Boo. That means that with or without nerfing the SSJ multiplier for Gogeta, the same Gogeta SSJ3 is> Gotenks Boo.

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] do you think the multiplier of SSJ's transformations for Gogeta from Arc Boo and M12 are nerfed? Or does he have a multiplier like Vegetto?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Nerfed multipliers like Gotenks. Vegetto only needs to be that high due to GT.

 

[SIAD]

Nerfed multipliers like Gotenks. Vegetto only needs to be that high due to GT.

Thank you very much for your answer.

Could you answer this question in this link?

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18527

 

[SIAD]

If you can check this link:

http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18527

Here I explain a theory that occurred to me a few days ago and that if it turns out to be true, it could change the scales of power. I basically suspect that Moro and Goku surpassed the power of the Gods of Destruction.

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] What do you think of the SSJ multipliers for Gokhan Arc Boo and BoS (Both versions Potara) and Vegetto (BoS)?

Will SSJ multipliers be nerfed or will it stay the same as the big SSJ multiplier like Vegetto SSJ's (Boo)?

By the way, the only thing we do know is that Vegetto SSJ3 (BoS)> Gokhan SSJ3 (BoS). Because Goku thought that not even a Vegetto Fusion could against Beerus (Initial).

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] Because you have changed your positions on the PL of some characters, in which PL would you give the following characters:

Piccolo (Pre Neil), SPC, Teen Gohan SSJ2, Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin), Goku SSJ2 (Boo), Goten / Trunks Base / SSJ (EoZ) and Pan (EoZ)?

 

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[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] With your new belief, what PL do you give to Goku / Majin Vegeta SSJ2, Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin), Dabura, SPC and Teen / Kid Gohan SSJ2?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Updated the OP.

 

[SIAD]

Shouldn't Teen Gohan SSJ2 be = Kid Gohan SSJ2?

 

[Animelover5487]

Are you ever going to do Super?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Shouldn't Teen Gohan SSJ2 be = Kid Gohan SSJ2?

Going by the Daizenshuu entry, yes, though it is a bit difficult to align things 100% to it with us also being told Goten's power is exactly equal to Gohan's and what we know of how Ki works should still have made Gohan's Ki wane a little from slacking off as such would provide a slight drop in shouki most likely.

Are you ever going to do Super?

If it finishes. No point doing a complete list for a series that can have the whole power chain change at the drop of a hat.

 

[SIAD]

So you have Dabura (FP) much closer to Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) than SPC and Gohan SSJ2 (CG / TB25)?

It still makes sense since Vegeta was confident of defeating Dabura with relative ease (Suppressed vs Gohan), then Dabura says that he was only playing with Gohan. Later Dabura fights with all his might against Fat Boo.

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] I got to thinking about the difference you have between Kid Gohan SSJ over Cell (Vs Goku), a gap of just 1,062x. You don't think it's too small, considering that Gohan called the Goku vs Cell match very easy. In addition Gohan SSJ easily dodges the blows of that version of Cell.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gaps in general, particularly after the Freeza Arc and viewed as percentages, lack any real relevancy or consistency from day 1. The fact that the colossal gap between a City buster like Daimao and a Moon/Small Planet buster like BoZ Weighted Piccolo isn't even a 2x gap yet Kaioken linearly multiplies all stats and Base Goku still wasn't oneshot material to Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc says a lot about how Toriyama put no thought into making it a consistent and linear system of scale. Other official numbers where the gap would seem "small" also prove themselves to be game changing such as Dodoria/Zarbon VS Vegeta when they're at 22k/23k vs 24k, something validated by numerous sources and implications from the original manga.

 

[SIAD]

Gaps in general, particularly after the Freeza Arc and viewed as percentages, lack any real relevancy or consistency from day 1. The fact that the colossal gap between a City buster like Daimao and a Moon/Small Planet buster like BoZ Weighted Piccolo isn't even a 2x gap yet Kaioken linearly multiplies all stats and Base Goku still wasn't oneshot material to Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc says a lot about how Toriyama put no thought into making it a consistent and linear system of scale. Other official numbers where the gap would seem "small" also prove themselves to be game changing such as Dodoria/Zarbon VS Vegeta when they're at 22k/23k vs 24k, something validated by numerous sources and implications from the original manga.

Do you think 2 Gokus SSJ (CG) can defeat Kid Gohan SSJ?

No special techniques and attacks.

 

[SIAD]

With all that we talked about the power of Pikkon, how will the list fit you? Do you think the Z Warriors from Arc Boo have roughly twice the power?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If trying to fit him into this, I'd just go with his Blazing Shoot being a huge amp. Trying to rewrite the list to fit the anime would be an arduous and overall pointless task with how many ways you can interpret the scaling.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why do you think the humans are so close to the Base Saiyans in the Android Arc? Specially Kuririn, how is he basically equal with Gohan without training with a SSJ?