The Captain's assortment of random numbers

[ahill1]

End of the Freeza Arc, basically. He didn't seem as though he made major gains between then and Trunks' arrival, at least not enough to catch up to Kuririn after the power ups he got on Namek or Tenshinhan who stayed on Kaio's planet an extra 130 days. If assuming they all made comparable gains from the 3 year training, it'd mean he wouldn't close that gap, not to mention him admitting he was the most useless guy on the battlefield after #20 gave him a chest examination and nobody arguing against it would suggest that the gap between he and the other two humans is still fairly notable. Whilst you could argue Kuririn had the Kienzan and Ten had the Kikoho, the Sokidan would still make a great support move and be even more useful against those who absorb Ki than Tenshithands' support if the three were indeed on near equal footing.

Could the artificial humans absorb a Kikoho though? It is more like a Kiai type attack, it doesn't have the more noticeable shape as a blast does, so I am not sure. Regarding the Kienzan, it 'maybe' could just rip off the androids' hands when they try absorbing it.

Not to say Yamcha isn't the weakest though, I agree with such.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I didn't say they could absorb the Kienzan, hence why I only said the Sokidan would be more useful than the Kikoho. I'd say it's debatable if they could absorb it or not, seeing as how anime-wise it's presented as a physical Ki blast. Even if it's closer to a Kiai, it still stands to reason it may be absorbed, seeing as how a Kiai is just a lower form of Ki blast. Regardless, #19 and #20 would've been well aware of it from their data and could easily counter or absorb it when seeing Ten's movements in preparation for it, whereas the twisting Sokidan would make for a far more troublesome distraction.

 

[SIAD]

Could you put some characters from Arc Garlick Jr? If you do not want to, could you put the levels of Super Garlick Jr, Piccolo and Vegeta?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Garlic Jr. Arc

Son Gohan
~ Full power - 1,050,000
~ Enraged - 1,500,000
~ Further Enrgaed against Gashew/Vinegar - 2,250,000
~ Enraged against Garlic Jr. -

Kuririn - 375,000

Maron - 5

Piccolo
~ Weighted - 2,520,000
~ Unweighted, holding back - 1,575,000
~ Unweighted - 3,150,000
~ Unweighted, Kami injured - 2,625,000

Yamcha
~ Full power - 92,500
~ Black Water Mist - 1,387,500

Muten Roshi
~ Full power - 20,850
~ Black Water Mist - 312,750

Chichi
~ Full power - 130
~ Black Water Mist - 196,000

Vegeta - 3,150,000

Zald - 1,100,000

Tard - 1,105,000

Vinegar
~Full power - 1,150,000
~ Transformed - 1,437,500

Gashew
~Full power - 1,170,000
~ Transformed - 1,462,500

Garlic Jr.
~ Full power - 1,500,000
~ Transformed - 3,000,000

I tend to place Piccolo and Vegeta as strong as their Mecha Freeza arrival selves due to Vegeta's statement about having become stronger after his revival and even being confident enough to take a shot at a Freeza stronger than the one who killed him likely placing him above Base Namek Goku, whilst Piccolo was implied to be rivalling him after the filler fight Vegeta had with Gohan. It's easy to assume Vegeta likely didn't get much of a chance to train when searching for Goku, whereas Piccolo's anime training may have just been maintenance.

 

[SIAD]

Garlic Jr. Arc

Son Gohan
~ Full power - 1,050,000
~ Enraged - 1,500,000
~ Further Enrgaed against Gashew/Vinegar - 2,250,000
~ Enraged against Garlic Jr. -

Kuririn - 375,000

Maron - 5

Piccolo
~ Weighted - 2,520,000
~ Unweighted, holding back - 1,575,000
~ Unweighted - 3,150,000
~ Unweighted, Kami injured - 2,625,000

Yamcha
~ Full power - 92,500
~ Black Water Mist - 1,387,500

Muten Roshi
~ Full power - 20,850
~ Black Water Mist - 312,750

Chichi
~ Full power - 130
~ Black Water Mist - 196,000

Vegeta - 3,150,000

Zald - 1,100,000

Tard - 1,105,000

Vinegar
~Full power - 1,150,000
~ Transformed - 1,437,500

Gashew
~Full power - 1,170,000
~ Transformed - 1,462,500

Garlic Jr.
~ Full power - 1,500,000
~ Transformed - 3,000,000

I tend to place Piccolo and Vegeta as strong as their Mecha Freeza arrival selves due to Vegeta's statement about having become stronger after his revival and even being confident enough to take a shot at a Freeza stronger than the one who killed him likely placing him above Base Namek Goku, whilst Piccolo was implied to be rivalling him after the filler fight Vegeta had with Gohan. It's easy to assume Vegeta likely didn't get much of a chance to train when searching for Goku, whereas Piccolo's anime training may have just been maintenance.

So you have Vegeta (Post revive) = Vegeta (Arc Mecha Freezer)?

I also remember that at the start of the fight between Piccolo vs Super Garlick Jr, the latter was winning without problems, until Piccolo increases in size and reverses the situation. All that happened before Kamisama became weak. Or simply Piccolo did not take seriously the start of the fight against Super Garlick Jr.?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's been a while since I viewed that portion of the series, though I remember Piccolo trash-talking Garlic Jr. a lot, which would be strange if he were significantly above him. It may have been that Piccolo wanted to distract Garlic Jr. for some time until Kami reversed the Black Water Mist, similar to SSJ Goku stalling Freeza for Gohan's escape.

That, or maybe I should indeed bump Super Garlic Jr. up a little bit.

 

[SIAD]

CC, I still think that Vegeta did a little training at that time, because I wanted to overcome Goku one day. Besides Vegeta seemed to know about the Gravity Ship, surely used a little gravity ship to train, while looking for Goku.

  Vegeta would not only search for Goku, knowing that Goku far surpasses him.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why is Kuririn’s Scattering Bullet over 10,000 when Nappa tanked it?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Because it was divided out between the Sabaimen. Even if concentrated into just one attack, it would be useless when it's made apparent the attack is too slow to be used normally.

 

[ahill1]

The attack was divided into blasts.

 

[ahill1]

Oh, missed CC's reply

 

[SIAD]

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] After your analysis of the power of Dabura, what PL do you give?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

There's a more comprehensive analysis I want to give concerning the power chain between him, Gohan and Cell concerning what form Gohan was using and what Cell Goku was referring to, though I'd rather wait until I get up to the Gohan VS Dabura point of the anime in my rewatch rather than reviewing it out of order, which will take a few months most likely.

 

[SIAD]

CC, what do you think of:

Goku SSJ2 (Boo)> / >> Kid Gohan SSJ2> = Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) >> Dabura (FP)> Teen Gohan SSJ2> = Dabura (Suppressed vs. Gohan)> Kid Gohan SSJ2 (Suppressed vs Perfect Cell) = SPC> Kid Gohan SSJ2 (Less than half of energy)> Buff Cell >> Perfect Cell (FP) = Kid Gohan SSJ2 (Deleted against Cell "Maximum Speed")?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Continuing from what SIAD said, what do you think about Dabra telling everyone to come at him? It sure implies he’s above SSJ Goku, but do you think he expected Gohan and Vegeta to be SSJs as well?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

[mention]SIAD[/mention] I'd agree with most of it other than the existence of Suppressed SS2 Gohan. Cell's belief that he was still inferior to himself likely stemmed from both one's standing Ki not being an accurate measurement of their true power as well as Cell's arrogance seeming to cloud his judgement when it comes to Ki sensing (eg. Not believing Vegeta was superior to his 2nd form until he received a beating from him).

[mention]GreatSaiyaman123[/mention] That's one thing I'd use to support the SS2 Gohan and Dabura ~ SPC route. Dabura ought to assume that not only Goku could have such a power boost and may have even expected them to be stronger than that, considering he caught on to Goku to doing something extra when he killed Yakon.

 

[SIAD]

@SIAD I'd agree with most of it other than the existence of Suppressed SS2 Gohan. Cell's belief that he was still inferior to himself likely stemmed from both one's standing Ki not being an accurate measurement of their true power as well as Cell's arrogance seeming to cloud his judgement when it comes to Ki sensing (eg. Not believing Vegeta was superior to his 2nd form until he received a beating from him).

@GreatSaiyaman123 That's one thing I'd use to support the SS2 Gohan and Dabura ~ SPC route. Dabura ought to assume that not only Goku could have such a power boost and may have even expected them to be stronger than that, considering he caught on to Goku to doing something extra when he killed Yakon.

When will you edit your Power Levels listing?

What SSJ2 multiplier do you give Kid Gohan?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

When will you edit your Power Levels listing?

Whenever I can be bothered, really.

What SSJ2 multiplier do you give Kid Gohan?

2x, same as everyone else. No need to give him any sort of special increase, unless wanting to include an additional boost right when he killed Cell.

 

[SIAD]

When will you edit your Power Levels listing?

Whenever I can be bothered, really.

What SSJ2 multiplier do you give Kid Gohan?

2x, same as everyone else. No need to give him any sort of special increase, unless wanting to include an additional boost right when he killed Cell.

On your new list, what PL do you give Cell Perfect, SPC, Teen Gohan SSJ2, Dabura (Vs Gohan), Dabura (FP), Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin), Majin Vegeta SSJ2?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Edited it now, so you can check.