The Captain's assortment of random numbers

[Captain Cadaver]

Whilst that's true, Cell suddenly having a last-second epiphany on the Final Flash's true power is stupid no matter how you look at it. He was pretty much smirking for the entirety of the time it was built up and fired until just before it hit him.
You could also excuse his reaction by assuming it to just be trolling, considering his fake reaction immediately afterwards.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Dabura scoffed at Fat Boo when first seeing him prior to the power up and Gohan himself was caught off guard, not seeming to view the Majin as amazing. Most likely, Boo's power lowered upon awakening until he started stomping Dabura, akin to a coffee cooling down after the kettle's intense boiling.

Back on this... Don't you think Dabra would also have reacted to Boo's power when he was forming? Instead, he just thought it's a cloud.

 

[Void]

Can Dabra sense ki in the traditional way? He needed the kiri meter to gauge Goku's power.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Back on this... Don't you think Dabra would also have reacted to Boo's power when he was forming? Instead, he just thought it's a cloud.

Basically what Void said. Dabura doesn't seem to be able to sense Ki normally when considering he needed a Kili meter and also had no reaction to Ki as great as SS2 Goku/Vegeta's.

 

[SIAD]

I remember that in your old list you had Dabura> Gohan SSJ. Why do you now have Gohan SSJ> Dabura?

  A few months ago you told me you had Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin)> Kid Gohan SSJ2. Because Vegeta hoped to defeat him, before knowing that Gohan had lost power. Why you have now Kid Gohan SSJ2> SPC> Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin)?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I remember that in your old list you had Dabura> Gohan SSJ. Why do you now have Gohan SSJ> Dabura?

I used to place Dabura as superior due to being assured he could still beat Gohan. Considering Gohan seemed to perform far better in their fight, however, I can't put much credence in Dabura's words.

A few months ago you told me you had Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin)> Kid Gohan SSJ2. Because Vegeta hoped to defeat him, before knowing that Gohan had lost power. Why you have now Kid Gohan SSJ2> SPC> Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin)?

He still expected Gohan to have slacked off. Just mot to the extent he actually had.

 

[SIAD]

For the same reason he had Dabura slightly higher than Gohan SSJ. Now I think maybe Dabura hoped to win because he could increase the number of magic attacks, like throwing a lot of spits and since Gohan SSJ was at the level of Dabura, he would not very easily avoid them, while someone like Vegeta SSJ could do it very easily. I have now Dabura = Gohan SSJ.

  As for Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) I have it at SPC level, since Vegeta was confident in defeating Teen Gohan SSJ2, knowing that Gohan had at least lost a bit of power, which means that Vegeta felt superior to someone a little less powerful than Kid Gohan SSJ2.

By the way, in a match between Dabura + Teen Gohan SSJ vs. Vegeta SSJ (Pre Majin), who do you think would win?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If you're going with the Guidebooks PLs, why aren't you going with Raditz being 1,500?

 

[SIAD]

If you're going with the Guidebooks PLs, why aren't you going with Raditz being 1,500?

Because he claimed that if he did not escape from Piccolo's Makankosappo, he could have died.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That could be because of Makankosappo being a piercing blast.

There's also Raditz saying that Gohan is stronger than Goku, but didn't say Gohan was stronger than himself.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

By the way, in a match between Dabura + Teen Gohan SSJ vs. Vegeta SSJ (Pre Majin), who do you think would win?

Vegeta would still win, given how he said he could kill Dabura instantly and Gohan wouldn't be much different.

If you're going with the Guidebooks PLs, why aren't you going with Raditz being 1,500?

I doubt a 1.5k fighter would be so heavily injured by one attack from someone at 1,307 or so concerned about an attack at 1,330. Raditz should also be below Yamcha seeing as how the narrative was showing through the Saibaimen the humans (minus Chaozu and Yajirobe) had all surpassed Raditz by defeating someone comparable to him.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Er... You gave no number to SSJG3 Trunks

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Fixed

 

[SIAD]

Do you have Future Trunks USSJ> Goku MSSJ 50%?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yes, seeing as how the evidence for the opposite isn't solid enough and for what Super's worth, it implies 3rd Garde > SS2 in terms of raw power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I thought Super implied SSJ2 > Grade 3? I mean, Vegeta called the Grade 3 form primitive or something.

And how worth you think it is to bring Super in Manga discussions? I mean, Super holds as much weight as the original anime, probably even less.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I thought Super implied SSJ2 > Grade 3? I mean, Vegeta called the Grade 3 form primitive or something.

Because of the speed disadvantage. Other than that, he found nothing suspicious about Trunks using it after having gone SS2, which he would've known was off if the latter surpassed it in both speed and power.

And how worth you think it is to bring Super in Manga discussions? I mean, Super holds as much weight as the original anime, probably even less.

As long as it doesn't contradict the general consistency of the series at all, I find using info within both of them as fine for otherwise inconclusive topics.

 

[SIAD]

I thought Super implied SSJ2 > Grade 3? I mean, Vegeta called the Grade 3 form primitive or something.

Because of the speed disadvantage. Other than that, he found nothing suspicious about Trunks using it after having gone SS2, which he would've known was off if the latter surpassed it in both speed and power.

And how worth you think it is to bring Super in Manga discussions? I mean, Super holds as much weight as the original anime, probably even less.

As long as it doesn't contradict the general consistency of the series at all, I find using info within both of them as fine for otherwise inconclusive topics.

I find you right CC. I agree with USSJ> SSJ2 in terms of strength due to what was shown in Super. But with a single 2x multiplier of the USSJ on the ASSJ is enough and so you could have Goku MSSJ 50%> Future Trunks USSJ.

  Using your numbers would be:

SSJ = 1
ASSJ = 1.5
USSJ = 3
SSJ2 = 2

  Then still you would have USSJ = SSJ2.

  Personally I see the USSJ as an ASSJ2 in terms of strength.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Because of the speed disadvantage. Other than that, he found nothing suspicious about Trunks using it after having gone SS2, which he would've known was off if the latter surpassed it in both speed and power.

One could argue Trunks was using Grade 3 on top of SSJ2 though...

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That's assuming that's even possible though, something not really implied at all. He even loses the lightning that was present in the SS2 segment moments before, so I severely doubt that to be the case.