Tier List (Manga)

[GSM123]

I'm thinking about SSJ Tier for him. His attacks are barely hurting Goku.

His attacks wore SSJ Galu down enough that he needed to rely on Trunks to make even the slightest retreat. It's also worth noting that Goku only powered down so low after he assumed Zamasu had gained a fatal injury, plus he still went SSG in the rematch, which even if assuming it was for safe measure is fairly telling on Zamasu at least being far above SSJ tier.

Whilst you could use SSB Vegetto against Merged Zamasu as a counter, it's not as strong a one when Goku's not the one with a direct time limit on his existence.

Zamasu had to paralyse Goku, making him defenseless, and land several blows on him to wear him down. If Goku weren't restrained the fight probably wouldn't have went much different than something like SSJ Goku vs Frost.

Goku admited he wasted a ton of energy on the Mafuuba, so that wasn't SSJG on it's full power.

 

[Pyro]

I put him below SSj Trunks. He was unimpressive, and it helps to make MZ so fantastically weak.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Zamasu had to paralyse Goku, making him defenseless, and land several blows on him to wear him down. If Goku weren't restrained the fight probably wouldn't have went much different than something like SSJ Goku vs Frost.

Zamasu never made it apparent his technique was a last resort, nor was it implied Goku's inability to defend caused his stamina to decrease at a drastic rate. Also, Zamasu had already fought against SSB beforehand, so he had a good idea of what to expect if he didn't paralyze Goku quickly.

Goku admited he wasted a ton of energy on the Mafuuba, so that wasn't SSJG on it's full power.

And later fought MZ better than Vegeta did when both were in the same form, so what Goku says is a completely different picture from what he shows.

 

[GSM123]

Zamasu never made it apparent his technique was a last resort, nor was it implied Goku's inability to defend caused his stamina to decrease at a drastic rate. Also, Zamasu had already fought against SSB beforehand, so he had a good idea of what to expect if he didn't paralyze Goku quickly.

But if Zamasu were SSJ2/3 tier, wouldn't he have one shoted SSJ Goku?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Merged Zamasu didn't oneshot Base Vegeta despite being in a similar position of complete control. It's highly arguable that Zamasu wasn't going for the kill with his attacks. That, and general plot armour to an extent.

 

[GSM123]

No reason for Zamasu to be fooling around here when Goku, unlike Vegeta to MZ, was an actual threat.

Plot armor would only be a thing if we had any feats placing Zamas above SSJ Tier though. But if Goku apparently isn't as tired as it seemeed, then Zamas might really be SSJ3 Tier. He probably was only tired to a point where SSJB, a strainful form, wouldn't do much good.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

No reason for Zamasu to be fooling around here when Goku, unlike Vegeta to MZ, was an actual threat.

Not really. Goku couldn't put up any resistance whatsoever against the paralysis and seemingly couldn't transform to bypass that. He was completely under Zamasu's control.

Plot armor would only be a thing if we had any feats placing Zamas above SSJ Tier though.

For what it's worth, he did take some hits from SSG Goku fairly well. Immortality of not, he should've at least fallen to the ground from even light SSG hits if he were as weak as SSJ tier.

 

[Papasmurf]

I always put F. Zamasu at least on SSJ2 tier; Goku never implied Trunks was vastly above him (which he would be if he were 2 transformations above him), and Galu did bother to turn SSJG against him instead of SSJ2. Even assuming he ruled SSJ3 out due to its poor stamina, I fail to see why he'd bother going that high when he wasn't just trying to go for overkill similar to Blue Vegetto, but just planning to beat the stuffings out of him for as long as possible.

 

[GSM123]

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[GSM123]

How powerful is Magetta? Vados calls Frost the strongest U6 fighter, so his feats against Vegeta are probably due to high durability, being made of some hard steel an all.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He still caused SSJ Vegeta a lot of trouble so whether or not it be purely due to his durability, his overall fighting prowess should rank on the high end of SSJ tier above SSJ Vegeta/Goku even. Vados' statement means little when Hit contradicts it not long after.

 

[Pyro]

Ch. 9, pg. 27.7
Context: Frost and Goku resume their fight after Frost has transformed
Champa: “That’s it! Frost is one step ahead.”
Vados: “Of course. He’s the strongest warrior in our universe.”

Ch. 13, pg. 20.5
Context: Hit has just revealed his full power
Champa: “That guy… He was hiding his true power…!!”
Vados: “Of course. His time skipping ability always allowed him to quickly finish off his enemies. It’s probably rare for him to use all of his power in a fight.”

Ch. 13, pg. 20.6
Context: Hit has just revealed his full power
Beerus: “Hey! Hit’s power levels are increasing!”
Whis: “The assassin, Hit--the best in all of the Universe 6. It seems that the rumors about him are true…”

Seems like Vados and Whis both knew Hit was truly the strongest in Universe 6 since they didn't show surprise at his full power, but for whatever reason, Vados claimed Frost was the strongest prior to his utter defeat by Vegeta.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

She was probably trying to make Champa feel more confident about their chances.

 

[GSM123]

Rereading Vegeta vs Magetta i think it's better to place him on SSJ Tier. Feats don't lie, but characters do.

Do you guys think current SSJ2 Vegeta should be ~ Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That at the very least, if not >>> Rageta. Regardless of what degree it may be, Goku and Vegeta's lower forms certainly became stronger after the God ritual and Whis training respectively, so it would stand to reason Current SS2 Vegeta should be stronger than his BoG enraged self.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

This is something kind-of unrelated, but AT once said that from that point onward (whenever the interview was, I forgot) that Goku'd probably never use anything but regular Super-Saiyan again and then the very next thing is Goku using it again. Can't even stay uncontradicted for a month it seems.

 

[ahill1]

That at the very least, if not >>> Rageta. Regardless of what degree it may be, Goku and Vegeta's lower forms certainly became stronger after the God ritual and Whis training respectively, so it would stand to reason Current SS2 Vegeta should be stronger than his BoG enraged self.

Well, considering that Goku SSJ could already perform really well against suppressed Hit, whose time skip could work against less than 10% Vegeta Blue, doesn't that imply Vegeta's SSJ2, who is far stronger than Goku SSJ3, should be already approaching the God realm? Meanwhile, in the BoG arc, we have Goku stating that he didn't think a realm like that existed once he attained SSJG, which implies Goku's SSJG is even above Z Vegetto, a realm of power Goku had already knowledge of. That could lead to SSJ2 Vegeta (vs Black) being already above even Vegetto from Z and consequently >>>> Vegeta SSJ2 from BoG, as while Vegeta far surpassed everyone there (Gotenks and Gohan included), there's no reason for him to be surpassing or even reaching Vegetto's level of power.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I agree to that chain, hence why I said equal at the very least, if not leagues above his BoG self.

 

[Animelover5487]

TBH, it is kind of retarded that Vegeta used Blue when he had this ultra powerful SSJ2, unless you want to argue that Vegeta was unaware of his power dropping so much before transforming.

 

[Pyro]

It's stupid no matter how you do it.