Ultimate Gohan (Boo) >= Goku Ssj3 (Boo)

[Victorious]

How would he know? Goku never showed it to him.

He knows where Gokhan's power will stack.

 

[kriss-]

I think he does.

And what do you think that determines?

That you're a self refuting troll.

I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to determine.

So please, tell me.

What do you think that proves? If Elder Kaioshin knows how powerful he is?

I can somewhaaaat agree... considering his speciality is playing with peoples dormant powers and all.

 

[Victorious]

And what do you think that determines?

That you're a self refuting troll.

I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to determine.

So please, tell me.

What do you think that proves? If Elder Kaioshin knows how powerful he is?

I can somewhaaaat agree... considering his speciality is playing with peoples dormant powers and all.

All it means is that your arguments in the other thread are trash, wrong, and now self refuted. Because you argued against my notion that Elder Kaioshin knew Goku's full power/SSJ3. As far as this thread, means nothing.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I think Gohan's power is mainly being used as a measuring stick for Gokhan's potential power. Old Kaioshin's confidence seemed to be on what the Potara can do moreso than anything about Goku. He just assumed they'd be enough if they merged.

 

[Papasmurf]

He does apparently know it well enough that him and Gohan fighting together can't beat Boo without some form of fusion

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Can't he just assume that based on the fact that the guy he thought would be considered the strongest in the universe after his special ritual was getting trounced? I mean, adding another weakling to the battle wouldn't change much, and he never seems to be under the impression that Goku is superior.

 

[Papasmurf]

There's also that and the fact that he knows Fat Boo's power level right after being freed and has enough cognitive powers to see Piccolo taking Boo to the Rosat

 

[Victorious]

I think Gohan's power is mainly being used as a measuring stick for Gokhan's potential power. Old Kaioshin's confidence seemed to be on what the Potara can do moreso than anything about Goku. He just assumed they'd be enough if they merged.

Well that arguement works, and is exactly what Tosh argued against me in another thread. I conceded that either theory works ( Elder Kaioshin knowing Goku's SSJ3 or not). But now Tosh is forced to the idea Elder Kaioshin knows Goku's full SSJ3. Because he thinks SSJ3 Goku is close to Ultimate Gohan and powers that arent close from the get go can't fuse. And therefor when Goku brings up fusing with Ultimate Gohan Metamorian style if Elder Kaioshin didnt know Goku's full SSJ3, then he would have said it was impossible and not have just brought up time constraints.

 

[Victorious]

By the way, my take has always been Elder Kaioshin know's Goku's SSJ3, but if Goku fuses Metamorian style wth Ultimate Gohan, Goku would be in base and Gohan would suppress way down. I've never seen any reason to believe Goku would be SSJ3. Never is it shown Saiyans in radically different forms can fuse Metamorian style together.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The idea of Goku turning Super Saiyan 3 just to fuse already seems ridiculous to me.

 

[Victorious]

Tosh is ridiculous, but if you press him you'll see nearly all his arguements are one massive pile of self contradictory shit.

 

[Papasmurf]

I can't even count the number of times he started dismissing other people's posts screaming they're just "common norm"

 

[Evil Vegeta]

This is what Tosh usually says when you catch him in some nonsense: "Please add to the discussion or don't comment."

 

[Papasmurf]

He reminds me an awful lot of Apoc.

 

[kriss-]

That you're a self refuting troll.

I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to determine.

So please, tell me.

What do you think that proves? If Elder Kaioshin knows how powerful he is?

I can somewhaaaat agree... considering his speciality is playing with peoples dormant powers and all.

All it means is that your arguments in the other thread are trash, wrong, and now self refuted. Because you argued against my notion that Elder Kaioshin knew Goku's full power/SSJ3. As far as this thread, means nothing.

Please show evidence that Gohan can revert back down to his base form because I can show you evidence that he was unconscious and that did not happen.

 

[Victorious]

In the SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta thread Tosh said Gohan reached his max potential of his dormant powers with his SSJ2 in the Cell Games. I said this was ridiculous, the power Elder Kaioshin brought out was his max potential. He said yeah, but it's max potential "beyond it's limits". "True" i said, but you really think the max potential and massive hidden dormant power Elder Kaioshin sensed of Gohan is only SSJ2 Kid Gohan level and thus is weaker than SSJ2 Goku? He said yeah and absurdly tried to defend that position, including saying SSJ2 post Zeta Gohan was weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SSJ2 Goku. So i said why didn't Elder Kaioshin sense a far greater hidden power in Goku, since Goku was already capable of going SSJ3 Goku and is thus way beyond the puny SSJ2 Kid Gohan power that Tosh thinks was the dormant power Elder Kaioshin sensed in post Zeta Gohan. Tosh then said because "there's no evidence Elder Kaioshin can sense Goku's SSJ3 power". LOL

 

[Victorious]

I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to determine.

So please, tell me.

What do you think that proves? If Elder Kaioshin knows how powerful he is?

I can somewhaaaat agree... considering his speciality is playing with peoples dormant powers and all.

All it means is that your arguments in the other thread are trash, wrong, and now self refuted. Because you argued against my notion that Elder Kaioshin knew Goku's full power/SSJ3. As far as this thread, means nothing.

Please show evidence that Gohan can revert back down to his base form because I can show you evidence that he was unconscious and that did not happen.

Ultimate Gohan is his base form.

 

[kriss-]

In the SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta thread Tosh said Gohan reached his max potential of his dormant powers with his SSJ2 in the Cell Games. I said this was ridiculous, the power Elder Kaioshin brought out was his max potential. He said yeah, but it's max potential "beyond it's limits". "True" i said, but you really think the max potential and massive hidden dormant power Elder Kaioshin sensed of Gohan is only SSJ2 Kid Gohan level and thus is weaker than SSJ2 Goku? He said yeah and absurdly tried to defend that position, including saying SSJ2 post Zeta Gohan was weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and SSJ2 Goku. So i said why didn't Elder Kaioshin sense a far greater hidden power in Goku, since Goku was already capable of going SSJ3 Goku and is thus way beyond the puny SSJ2 Kid Gohan power that Tosh thinks was the dormant power Elder Kaioshin sensed in post Zeta Gohan. Tosh then said because "there's no evidence Elder Kaioshin can sense Goku's SSJ3 power". LOL

a) Dende knows about the Metamoran dance and when Goku says two people need to be close in battle power and size, he doesn't contradict the statement and suggest suppression, even with Yamcha and Piccolo there.
b) Goku was unable to perform the Metamoran ritual while on Planet Metamor because nobody was close in battle power or on par with him. The latter points are extremely important because they go hand in hand and don't leave room for suppression to occur.
c) The scan I posted shows that Piccolo is closer in height to Goku than Vegeta is and he isn't considered a relevant factor because of his low battle power. So the conclusion is that the battle powers need to be close to some degree.
d) With point a), b) and c) factored in, I can safely determine that Goku would need to be close to Gohan at some level before suppression can be factored in.

People fusing in Base forms as the common norm doesn't make it an absolute principal, it's simply that that's just how it occurred at those very specific times.

Your argument is self consistent, but so is mine and it doesn't require all the reaching of:

a) Goku didn't try it out because nobody was close to him. This could be a relevant argument but it goes against the narrative comments from people who know about fusion and what type of people are considered possibilities, obviously Piccolo, whom has significant battle power, isn't a reliable option.
b) Ultimate Gohan can suppress to Goku's Base form. Well... this could work as well, except it also does against point a), b) and d). They aren't close enough in battle power to be considered compatible with the ritual. This has to occurs before suppression occurs.

Within the context of what's told to us, the readers, it makes more logical sense to go with my theory as opposed to yours. Regardless, if you think I'm a fucking idiot for thinking so, than that's your opinion, which isn't an absolute fact.

 

[Victorious]

Your arguement isnt self consistent because you think Elder Kaioshin can't sense SSJ3 Goku.

 

[kriss-]

Your arguement isnt self consistent because you think Elder Kaioshin can't sense SSJ3 Goku.

Oh but it is, I haven't commented on that just yet, I was just exposing the fraudulent linguistics within your interpretation.