Ultimate Gohan (Boo) >= Goku Ssj3 (Boo)

[Victorious]

Moreover, Kaioshin never contradicted the possbility of Goku and Gohan's fusion.

Yep and considering Tosh thinks elder Kaioshin has no idea Goku has even SSJ much less SSJ3 this means Elder Kaioshin thinks base Goku is gonna Metamorian fuse with Ultimate Gohan, considering he only questions the time not the possibility itself. Ohhh in YO FACE Tosh!

 

[kriss-]

So we've confirmed several things:

A) Suppression doesn't work in the beginning. The two powers need to be close in battle power.
B) Piccolo isn't compatible, despite being closer in size to Goku than Vegeta.
C) Their battle power has to be closer than Piccolo & Goku Mssj, at the very least
D) Because Ultimate Gohan cannot alter his state, this means that various transformations work with the dance, as long as the two are closer in power than Piccolo is to Goku SSj.
E) Once their battle powers are close enough in power, they can match their Chi perfectly and perform the dance.
F) The Potara gave Kaioshin a far less multiplier than 10x. So the Metamoran is far below that.

We've solved the Metanoran.

 

[Emmeth]

Not sure if it's mentioned before (probably), but Kaioshin and Kibito isn't anywhere close in power or in stature, yet they fused into a much stronger being.

 

[kriss-]

They used the Potara which isn't burdened by those handicaps.

 

[Emmeth]

Then what's the point of saying "Suppression doesn't work"?

 

[kriss-]

Do you use your head before you comment?

The Metamoran and Potara are completely different.

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P6.1-7
Context: after Goku laments that Gohan and Vegeta are dead
Goku: “I coulda used Fusion…”
Dende: “Fusion…! Merging together, right? That’s the specialty art of the people of Planet Metamor!”
Goku: “So you know about it, Dende…! That’s right, some people from Metamor who I met in the afterlife taught me that art…It’s a merging technique which can only be performed if two people are fairly close in both power and body size…In other words, by having two people merge into one, they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power which either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [ ] …I was just taught the art, but I ain’t never tested it out…There wasn’t anybody on par with me in the afterlife…”[/quote]

Goten & Trunks tried to merge as Super Saiyans but they couldn't control their Chi properly, it was too hard for them Pre-RoSaT. They countered this by being able to master the Metamoran and transform AFTER fusing.

Goku wasn't aware of this since he didn't suggest it in the first place and asked them to fuse as Super Saiyans from the beginning. So the theory of fusing in his Base form is contradicted already.

Goku says that to perform fusion dance the two fusees must be "fairly close in power". You can see that that's slightly different to the "exactly the same power" they need when actually fusing.

So for two people to fuse, they need to be close in power, and once that requirement is met, they need to match their Ki to be exactly the same as each other. This is further backed up by Goku saying he couldn't fuse with anyone because there was no one on par with him in the afterlife, despite Goku being able to suppress. Since Goku planned to fuse with Gohan via the fusion dance, that would make Ultimate Gohan "fairly close in power" to at least some form of Goku, likely SSj3.

All evidence suggests Goku would perform fusion as a SSj3 because he wasn't/isn't aware of transforming into Super Saiyan after fusing, and suppressing battle power wasn't relevant enough for Goku to fuse on Planet Metamor, because the two product of the sum need to be CLOSE in power to begin with BEFORE matching their Ki.

The Potara has requirements that need to be precisely followed and the Potara doesn't.

 

[Emmeth]

Do you use your head before you comment?

Careful now.

Why did Goku want to fuse with Gohan? Because there was nobody else alive to fuse with. Vegeta was the closest thing to his own power he could fuse with and he was nowhere around. Gohan was the next best thing and he would have to lower his power to make it happen. Nothing more to it.

 

[kriss-]

Why did Goku want to fuse with Gohan? Because there was nobody else alive to fuse with. Vegeta was the closest thing to his own power he could fuse with and he was nowhere around. Gohan was the next best thing and he would have to lower his power to make it happen. Nothing more to it.

The Elder Kaioshin didn't disagree with Goku's plan, just that it wouldn't work due to the allotted time they had to learn it.

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

 

[Emmeth]

Why did Goku want to fuse with Gohan? Because there was nobody else alive to fuse with. Vegeta was the closest thing to his own power he could fuse with and he was nowhere around. Gohan was the next best thing and he would have to lower his power to make it happen. Nothing more to it.

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

No it's not. Once Trunks and Goten were fused they had already adjusted their power levels (well, Trunks did) and Gotenks is already considered a new entity all together, so they used Goten's and Trunks' slightly suppressed power to become a Super Saiyan. There's nothing contradicting about that.

 

[kriss-]

Why did Goku want to fuse with Gohan? Because there was nobody else alive to fuse with. Vegeta was the closest thing to his own power he could fuse with and he was nowhere around. Gohan was the next best thing and he would have to lower his power to make it happen. Nothing more to it.

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

No it's not. Once Trunks and Goten were fused they had already adjusted their power levels (well, Trunks did) and Gotenks is already considered a new entity all together, so they used Goten's and Trunks' slightly suppressed power to become a Super Saiyan. There's nothing contradicting about that.

They had to be close in battle power before fusing.

Goku couldn't suppress himself enough to merge with Piccolo or an individual from plant Metamora.

 

[Emmeth]

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

No it's not. Once Trunks and Goten were fused they had already adjusted their power levels (well, Trunks did) and Gotenks is already considered a new entity all together, so they used Goten's and Trunks' slightly suppressed power to become a Super Saiyan. There's nothing contradicting about that.

They had to be close in battle power before fusing.

Goku couldn't suppress himself enough to merge with Piccolo or an individual from plant Metamora.

Suppression has nothing to do with it, it's the height. You're dancing around the issue, stop doing that.

 

[kriss-]

No it's not. Once Trunks and Goten were fused they had already adjusted their power levels (well, Trunks did) and Gotenks is already considered a new entity all together, so they used Goten's and Trunks' slightly suppressed power to become a Super Saiyan. There's nothing contradicting about that.

They had to be close in battle power before fusing.

Goku couldn't suppress himself enough to merge with Piccolo or an individual from plant Metamora.

Suppression has nothing to do with it, it's the height. You're dancing around the issue, stop doing that.

The artwork for the chapter that the Metamoran ritual is introduced in includes a linear scale of all the characters involved.

Guidebooks hold no authority here.

 

[Victorious]

Why did Goku want to fuse with Gohan? Because there was nobody else alive to fuse with. Vegeta was the closest thing to his own power he could fuse with and he was nowhere around. Gohan was the next best thing and he would have to lower his power to make it happen. Nothing more to it.

The Elder Kaioshin didn't disagree with Goku's plan, just that it wouldn't work due to the allotted time they had to learn it.

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

but you told me Elder Kaioshin didnt even know how powerful Goku was. You really are a troll.

 

[kriss-]

Why did Goku want to fuse with Gohan? Because there was nobody else alive to fuse with. Vegeta was the closest thing to his own power he could fuse with and he was nowhere around. Gohan was the next best thing and he would have to lower his power to make it happen. Nothing more to it.

The Elder Kaioshin didn't disagree with Goku's plan, just that it wouldn't work due to the allotted time they had to learn it.

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

but you told me Elder Kaioshin didnt even know how powerful Goku was. You really are a troll.

Please add to the discussion or don't comment.

 

[Victorious]

The Elder Kaioshin didn't disagree with Goku's plan, just that it wouldn't work due to the allotted time they had to learn it.

Suppression is contradicted by what the story and Goku tell us.

but you told me Elder Kaioshin didnt even know how powerful Goku was. You really are a troll.

Please add to the discussion or don't comment.

Does Elder Kaioshin know Goku's SSJ3 power?

 

[kriss-]

but you told me Elder Kaioshin didnt even know how powerful Goku was. You really are a troll.

Please add to the discussion or don't comment.

Does Elder Kaioshin know Goku's SSJ3 power?

What do you think?

 

[Victorious]

I think he does.

 

[kriss-]

I think he does.

And what do you think that determines?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

How would he know? Goku never showed it to him.

 

[Victorious]

I think he does.

And what do you think that determines?

That you're a self refuting troll.