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Piccolo isnt compatible because of size.
Ultimate Gohan (Boo) >= Goku Ssj3 (Boo)
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I'm starting to think it has to go by overall powers.
The only issue is that it'd make a fusion between Goku and Vegeta impossible.
The only issue is that it'd make a fusion between Goku and Vegeta impossible.
Goku and Vegeta are the exact same power. Not using your maximum form of Super Saiyan isn't "suppressing" in the typical sense. Goku can raise his power to max in base, and Super Saiyan transformations simply multiply it. A Saiyans real power is their base power. As long as Goku and Vegeta stayed in the same form they'd have the exact same power.Evil Vegeta said:
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Yeah, but he considered merging with Gohan in that same scenario, who was much weaker than Goku.
Maybe. I'm not sure how strong Gohan is supposed to be compared to Goku in that part of the story. All 3 of the Saiyans seem to be treated in the same league I think.Evil Vegeta said:
It comes down to what counts as "roughly the same"
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I think Kaioshin seemed to look at them as being in the same league, but Goku and Vegeta seemed like they were a lot stronger than Gohan.
All of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's energy almost filled the meter to half, whereas a few mins of Goku's damage energy was enough to get it to max. Whatever Gohan and Dabra added to the meter was minuscule at best. So like you said, we don't exactly know what "fairly close" is supposed to mean in this instance. The only clear-cut example is Goten/Trunks.
All of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's energy almost filled the meter to half, whereas a few mins of Goku's damage energy was enough to get it to max. Whatever Gohan and Dabra added to the meter was minuscule at best. So like you said, we don't exactly know what "fairly close" is supposed to mean in this instance. The only clear-cut example is Goten/Trunks.
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Size isn't a relevant argument. Character size changes all the time.
Ultimate Gohan is not shown to be capable of reverting to his Base form. Even while he was unconscious he didn't revert. So he can't.
If Goku believed he could do the Metamoran fusion with him, he would have to be somewhere near his power.
Because Goten & Trunks are the only examples -and because we have several statements where characters say that two powers need to be close to perform fusion, than that's all we've got to work on and that should be the absolute minimum requirement that the characters could be different in regards to where they compare to one another in terms of sheer power.
Speculating beyond that is to look outside the context of the Manga and isn't a reliable answer.
Ultimate Gohan is not shown to be capable of reverting to his Base form. Even while he was unconscious he didn't revert. So he can't.
If Goku believed he could do the Metamoran fusion with him, he would have to be somewhere near his power.
Because Goten & Trunks are the only examples -and because we have several statements where characters say that two powers need to be close to perform fusion, than that's all we've got to work on and that should be the absolute minimum requirement that the characters could be different in regards to where they compare to one another in terms of sheer power.
Speculating beyond that is to look outside the context of the Manga and isn't a reliable answer.
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Why would Gohan revert to his base form? Ultimate Gohan is not a form.
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Of course.
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Moreover, Kaioshin never contradicted the possbility of Goku and Gohan's fusion.
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Perhaps by the Metamoran's logic, two people can have a 100,000x+ gap between them and still be considered "close in power." "Close" is subjective after all.
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How about Goku and Gohan power were fairly close. 
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On par and close in power is what we have to work with, so therefore; they go hand in hand. They have to be 'close in power', or 'on par' with each other, or 'close enough to be considered on par with one another'.
Suppression doesn't work, otherwise Goku could fuse with anybody close to the same size as he is.
Suppression doesn't work, otherwise Goku could fuse with anybody close to the same size as he is.
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They weren't close when Goku considered merging with Gohan way earlier, though.
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Goku being stronger than Gohan in every form says otherwise,
There's no proof of Super Saiyan Goku being closer to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, either.
There's no proof of Super Saiyan Goku being closer to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, either.
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As you can see, Vegeta is shorter to Goku than Piccolo is taller than him.
So clearly, Piccolo is too weak to be considered an option. Now we've ascertained that the two powers must be closer in battle power than Piccolo is to Goku SSj.
Because Goku considered fusing with Ultimate Gohan -and because Ultimate Gohan cannot change forms, this means he was considering in using Super Saiyan 3, to be relatively close to him. Like-wise, this also means that Goku would consider fusing with Teen Gohan on some level.
So within the context of the story, that means one of two things:
a) Teen Gohan is close to Goku.
b) Goku SSj could perform the Metamoran fusion with Gohan SSj2.
Obviously point a) cannot be true so we're stuck with point b).
