Vegeta SSJ (Androids saga) vs Future Trunks SSJ (Androids saga) gap

[ahill1]

Ohh i was thinking of Ten's earlier quote by the canyon when Piccolo was wrecking Gero. As far as the qoute you paste here, nothing is wrong with it. Ten doesnt even know Goku's true power or his current ceiling. Only Piccolo and Gohan do. So this does nothing to discredit Vegeta > FP Goku. Which Piccolo already confirmed.

I somehow read your comment as "Tenshinhan lumped Trunks and Vegeta together" lol.

But Piccolo said in front of Tenshinhan that Vegeta might be even stronger than Goku and Tenshinhan saw it. But later, Tenshinhan still thinks Goku is stronger than Vegeta. This could invalidate Trunks being lumped together with Vegeta and Goku.

I disagree with Ten thinking Goku is stronger than Vegeta. I think Ten is agnostic .The qoute you pasted pretty much shows Ten doesnt know exactly how strong Goku is. He said "No matter how strong he may be". All Ten's qoute really means is he doesnt know how strong Goku is, but he's positive it's not going to be a power much different than Vegeta or Trunks. Which means they're fucked. Ten is uncertain of Goku's precise power at the moment, but is positive of his potential limit or range.

But like I said, Tenshinhan heard Piccolo saying Vegeta might be stronger than Goku. Why would he doubt Piccolo's words?

Do you think Tenshinhan's comments mean Vegeta and Trunks are on the same range of power?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I always took Tien's quote to mean the Super Saiyans are all relatively close in power. This doesn't mean Vegeta isn't clearly stronger than Trunks, but it's not enough to make a difference. Tien said Goku "shouldn't" be much different, which could mean he's taking the "stupendous" power that Piccolo said Goku was capable of into consideration when saying that. Either way, I think the overall point is Goku's power would most likely not be different enough to matter.

 

[ahill1]

I always took Tien's quote to mean the Super Saiyans are all relatively close in power. This doesn't mean Vegeta isn't clearly stronger than Trunks, but it's not enough to make a difference. Tien said Goku "shouldn't" be much different, which could mean he's taking the "stupendous" power that Piccolo said Goku was capable of into consideration when saying that. Either way, I think the overall point is Goku's power would most likely not be different enough to matter.

But don't you think Ten's quote imply Goku > Vegeta?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I never got that impression from Tien's quote.

 

[kriss-]

All Tien knows is Goku is strong, but he doesn't have a damn clue as to how strong. So he says 'no matter how strong he may be', which is another way of implying that.

Trunks is obviously blown away from Vegeta and should obviously be weaker. I could place him closer to Piccolo than Vegeta, by a good amount.

The noob was done in by a simple crash with Vegeta and knocked out. Whereas Vegeta was beaten, had a broken arm and went back for more.

 

[ahill1]

I never got that impression from Tien's quote.

Ten said "not even Goku".

 

[kriss-]

Tien also says he 'shouldn't be that different from Trunks', in otherwords, he shouldn't be as different as the Androids were.

This doesn't have to put them in the same tier of power either. It can also mean that he's different just not as different as the Androids proved to be.

 

[ahill1]

All Tien knows is Goku is strong, but he doesn't have a damn clue as to how strong. So he says 'no matter how strong he may be', which is another way of implying that.

Trunks is obviously blown away from Vegeta and should obviously be weaker. I could place him closer to Piccolo than Vegeta, by a good amount.

The noob was done in by a simple crash with Vegeta and knocked out. Whereas Vegeta was beaten, had a broken arm and went back for more.

Trunks was hit first to #17, and that was a surprise hit from behind. We also see Goku getting knocked unconscious by Vegeta in a similar during the Boo saga, and they were equal in strength.

 

[kriss-]

That's a logical fallacy if you're trying to use it to construct any sort of argument.

 

[ahill1]

Tien also says he 'shouldn't be that different from Trunks', in otherwords, he shouldn't be as different as the Androids were.

This doesn't have to put them in the same tier of power either. It can also mean that he's different just not as different as the Androids proved to be.

Tenshinhan's comment implys the three Saiyans are in the same range of power.

 

[kriss-]

No it does not.

 

[ahill1]

No it does not.

It does... A healthy Goku is not much different from Trunk or Vegeta, so the Saiyans are not much different from each other.

 

[SSJ2]

Tenshinhan: “No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”

How is this not a power statement?

 

[kriss-]

Semantics.

 

[SSJ2]

Alright... "he shouldn't be that different"

What is this referring to? It's clearly about power considering how he says that Goku can't win.

 

[ahill1]

Tenshinhan: “No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”

How is this not a power statement?

While I agree this does imply the three Saiyans are on the same range of power, this comment is a bit odd, because it seems Ten is considering Goku to be stronger than Vegeta.

 

[kriss-]

The Androids and how different they proved to be.

 

[SSJ2]

Tenshinhan: “No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”

How is this not a power statement?

While I agree this does imply the three Saiyans are on the same range of power, this comment is a bit odd, because it seems Ten is considering Goku to be stronger than Vegeta.

Tenshinhan doesn't know Goku's full power as he never saw it. Vegeta's quote about himself being the strongest actually says he "should be stronger than Goku now", so it's not even 100%.

 

[SSJ2]

The Androids and how different they proved to be.

What? The Androids aren't mentioned in the quote, it literally says that Goku must be similar in power to Vegeta and Trunks, which is backed up by Vegeta too.

 

[kriss-]

That's why he's speculating about Goku's true power and how high it could potentially become. However he doesn't think it would become as different as the Androids were.

Vegeta is a cocky, arrogant head who can't really ever be trusted. On Namek, while fighting Jeice & Ginyu, he believed himself to be stronger than Goku was when he arrived on Namek. Despite Goku being capable of going up to 900,000. This occurred when he falsely believed himself to be a Super Saiyan, or at least nearing it, and when he actually becomes one, you're going to trust his words?

Pardon me, but he also doesn't know how strong a healthy Goku would be.