Were the Cell Jr.s playing-around against Vegeta & Trunks?

[SSJ2]

And no, because Vegeta knows Goku can't beat Cell.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, I personally prefer Piccolo around 40% of Goku in order to make sense of that, but I also don't think Vegeta thought Goku showed his full power - as it's kind of dumb to lay all your cards on the table before the final showdown.

Wouldn't 40% still be well above Vegeta before the Cell-Games? I know it seems like I'm just arguing semantics now, but if Piccolo was also so far above Vegeta like Goku was, wouldn't he consider Piccolo highly too? At-least to an extent.

Not well above if you have Trunks > 50% Goku imo.

Something like:

Gr 2 Vegeta: 100
Gr 3 Trunks: 200
50% Galu: 150
Piccolo: 120

I guess it depends on the SSj-Grade-III boost then.

Don't you think Goku could be rivalling Trunks? Considering Kuririn said it'd figure Goku's power'd out-strip everything? If he was that far-away from Trunks could he really be able to predict Goku surpassing Trunks' power?

But maybe that's pointless since Kuririn is one of the best Ki sensors and can usually figure-out hidden Ki easily.

 

[SSJ2]

It's not necessary imo. That quote can be interpreted as "it figures Goku had something up his sleeve".

 

[sei'taer]

The only thing that gives piccolo any credit at all is that he's still standing at the end of the cell jr fight. That's about all.

As other's have said, it's pretty ambiguous if cell was referring to all the cell jr's or just the ones fighting the scrubs. And since as soon as he tells them to go all out gohan transforms we'll never know.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The only thing that gives piccolo any credit at all is that he's still standing at the end of the cell jr fight. That's about all.

As other's have said, it's pretty ambiguous if cell was referring to all the cell jr's or just the ones fighting the scrubs. And since as soon as he tells them to go all out gohan transforms we'll never know.

What'd you say, though? Like what's your opinion? Do you have an opinion on it?

 

[Tapion]

Piccolo wasn't considered helpful because Goku knew Cell was holding back a massive amount of power. Do you think that Vegeta and Trunks, who were 60-66% of Goku would help either? The answer is no obviously.

Also, Cell's quote proves absolutely nothing. Read what he said carefully;
Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly.


He is merely telling what is happening to the readers. He is not saying "Only Vegeta and Trunks are fighting evenly." Also, the use of the "or" there suggests he is probably leaving someone out of the list.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Piccolo wasn't considered helpful because Goku knew Cell was holding back a massive amount of power. Do you think that Vegeta and Trunks, who were 60-66% of Goku would help either? The answer is no obviously.

Also, Cell's quote proves absolutely nothing. Read what he said carefully;
Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly.


He is merely telling what is happening to the readers. He is not saying "Only Vegeta and Trunks are fighting evenly." Also, the use of the "or" there suggests he is probably leaving someone out of the list.

Piccolo was left-out on more than one occasion, though I think that's established enough to not have him close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

 

[Tapion]

Piccolo wasn't considered helpful because Goku knew Cell was holding back a massive amount of power. Do you think that Vegeta and Trunks, who were 60-66% of Goku would help either? The answer is no obviously.

Also, Cell's quote proves absolutely nothing. Read what he said carefully;
Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly.


He is merely telling what is happening to the readers. He is not saying "Only Vegeta and Trunks are fighting evenly." Also, the use of the "or" there suggests he is probably leaving someone out of the list.

Piccolo was left-out on more than one occasion, though I think that's established enough to not have him close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

There's nothing that prevents him from being close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Piccolo wasn't considered helpful because Goku knew Cell was holding back a massive amount of power. Do you think that Vegeta and Trunks, who were 60-66% of Goku would help either? The answer is no obviously.

Also, Cell's quote proves absolutely nothing. Read what he said carefully;
Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly.


He is merely telling what is happening to the readers. He is not saying "Only Vegeta and Trunks are fighting evenly." Also, the use of the "or" there suggests he is probably leaving someone out of the list.

Piccolo was left-out on more than one occasion, though I think that's established enough to not have him close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

There's nothing that prevents him from being close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

Except author intent.

Why would AT write 2 statements like that, if Piccolo was in-fact close to them?

 

[ahill1]

I don't think the Cell Juniors were playing with Vegeta, Trunks or Piccolo, there's no reason they'd hold back to a level that these three could hold their own imo.

As for Piccolo, he wasn't giving the mini Cells the same fight Vegeta and Trunks were, but he still was strong enough to be a challenge. A couple of steps behind Veggie and Torankusu works well.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think the Cell Juniors were playing with Vegeta, Trunks or Piccolo, there's no reason they'd hold back to a level that these three could hold their own imo.

As for Piccolo, he wasn't giving the mini Cells the same fight Vegeta and Trunks were, but he still was strong enough to be a challenge. A couple of steps behind Veggie and Torankusu works well.

We don't know whether Piccolo held his own, though. He was literally only standing for like one time. How don't we know the Cell Jr. was using him as a punching-bag?

 

[Tapion]

Piccolo was left-out on more than one occasion, though I think that's established enough to not have him close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

There's nothing that prevents him from being close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

Except author intent.

Why would AT write 2 statements like that, if Piccolo was in-fact close to them?

Akira Toriyama also drew Piccolo standing against the Cell Jrs thrice.
Why would he draw everyone else on the ground, except Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks if Piccolo was still fodder to the Cell Jrs?

:d

 

[Fantastische Hure]

There's nothing that prevents him from being close to either Trunks or Vegeta.

Except author intent.

Why would AT write 2 statements like that, if Piccolo was in-fact close to them?

Akira Toriyama also drew Piccolo standing against the Cell Jrs thrice.
Why would he draw everyone else on the ground, except Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks if Piccolo was still fodder to the Cell Jrs?

:d

I assume because Piccolo was still obvious leagues ahead of the humans, so to show the difference between everyone (humans) and Piccolo, Piccolo was left standing (but not doing anything).

That's my opinion on that.

 

[sei'taer]

The only thing that gives piccolo any credit at all is that he's still standing at the end of the cell jr fight. That's about all.

As other's have said, it's pretty ambiguous if cell was referring to all the cell jr's or just the ones fighting the scrubs. And since as soon as he tells them to go all out gohan transforms we'll never know.

What'd you say, though? Like what's your opinion? Do you have an opinion on it?

I think the ones fighting vegeta and trunks were going all out. Cell wanted them to cause pain and they certainly weren't doing that. If they had more power they certainly could have.

 

[ahill1]

I don't think the Cell Juniors were playing with Vegeta, Trunks or Piccolo, there's no reason they'd hold back to a level that these three could hold their own imo.

As for Piccolo, he wasn't giving the mini Cells the same fight Vegeta and Trunks were, but he still was strong enough to be a challenge. A couple of steps behind Veggie and Torankusu works well.

We don't know whether Piccolo held his own, though. He was literally only standing for like one time. How don't we know the Cell Jr. was using him as a punching-bag?

Piccolo being shown standing after the Cell Juniors assault, not looking much worse than Vegeta and Trunks (if at all) is enough to conclude he held his own. By holding his own I don't mean evenly exchanging blows like Vegeta was, but enough to provide a bit of a challenge.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think the Cell Juniors were playing with Vegeta, Trunks or Piccolo, there's no reason they'd hold back to a level that these three could hold their own imo.

As for Piccolo, he wasn't giving the mini Cells the same fight Vegeta and Trunks were, but he still was strong enough to be a challenge. A couple of steps behind Veggie and Torankusu works well.

We don't know whether Piccolo held his own, though. He was literally only standing for like one time. How don't we know the Cell Jr. was using him as a punching-bag?

Piccolo being shown standing after the Cell Juniors assault, not looking much worse than Vegeta and Trunks (if at all) is enough to conclude he held his own. By holding his own I don't mean evenly exchanging blows like Vegeta was, but enough to provide a bit of a challenge.

Tenshinhan was standing, too though. k k k

 

[Papasmurf]

I think the Cell Jr.s were only slightly stronger than Trunks and evenly matched with Vegeta, so they were going all-out to deal the damage they dealt (which wasn't much to Veggie/Trunks).

 

[ahill1]

Tenshinhan was only shown trying to uselessly punch the Cell Junior, and when Gohan went bersek he was already in the ground just like the other humans and tired Goku, unlike Piccolo, who was still shown on his feet like the other two SSJs.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think the Cell Jr.s were only slightly stronger than Trunks and evenly matched with Vegeta, so they were going all-out to deal the damage they dealt (which wasn't much to Veggie/Trunks).

In your opinion why was Cell only saying that Vegeta & Trunks barely were fighting evenly, then? Seems like the Cell Jr.s had a clear edge according to Cell.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Tenshinhan was only shown trying to uselessly punch the Cell Junior, and when Gohan went bersek he was already in the ground just like the other humans and tired Goku, unlike Piccolo, who was still shown on his feet like the other two SSJs.

Well, Tenshinhan tried to do something, though. Piccolo was doing almost nothing, just standing.