What are the dumbest things you've heard DBZ fans say ab

[Epicnessbeyond]

This video is hilarious. Absolute 10000/10 troll
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sYWa8LK6SFg

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Actually Goku was fighting frieza with kaioken x20 so he was also at 60mil at most of the times. And yes 10% is a big difference as I provided you with power levels that say so.

I meant to say Goku and Piccolo combined had a pl of about 900.

Gohan was one hit by Beerus, Goku was 2 hit, Vegeta took multiple hits before he was mad, that is a sign of strength rather if you like it or not. When Beerus was searching for ssjg he looked to King Kai and then to Goku and Vegeta because they are the strongest, stronger than gohan. Not only did the fights show this but also the characters wording, there is do denying Goku and Vegeta are leagues above Gohan now.

He is not 10x stronger, you simply don't understand how ridiculous this is. You simply state over and over statements with very vague power estimations, never once did it say ssj1 gotenks was stronger than ssj3 goku, it said that ssj1 gotenks has a chance (which he didn't because ssj3 gotenks was equal to super buu). SSJ3 Goku was clearly stronger than fat buu, ssj1 gotenks was stated to have a CHANCE.

A chance is very vague. So how is a chance which is vague mean that ssj1 gotenks is as strong as ssj3 goku who is well above fat buu? I agree that ssj3 gotenks is above ssj3 goku but not ssj1.

You aren't comparing things that are nearly as close as 10% in power. Gohan was outmatched by Dabura which is why he was losing, Trunks and goten are almost evenly matched. As I said I've provided cases where people are more than 10% stronger and they whoop them, when they're 30% stronger they are one shot quality.

Mystic Gohan 100%, Gotenks ssj3 85% of Gohan, and Ssj3 Goku 75% of Gohan.

What's funny is you won't say that's it's possible that goku and vegeta can get that much stronger in 5 years but gohan went from weaker than cell (which is many times weaker than ssj3 goku) to 10x stronger than goku in your words.

In fact most dbz debates that people do say how much of an difference 10% is, if we've seen if before it's not going to change now. Example Gohan has a power level of 2 trillion, buu has a power level of 1.8 trillion, that's 10% difference and a 200 million difference, that's massive.

- Guy on YouTube who believes SSJ3 Goku & SSJ2 Vegeta (BoG) > Ultimate Gohan (Buu Saga)

My Response

Goku only used Kaioken x20 once in his fight with Frieza for that short boost and couple of hits. 10% isn't a big difference and 30% isn't one shotting range later on in the series. KKx4 Goku (32K) vs. Saiyan Saga Vegeta (18K), Goku launched Vegeta into the atmosphere and not only is he still alive, he's more than capable of fighting back and creating an artificial moon which would've weakened him further and transform and that was close to a 40% lead on Goku's part.

Goku & Piccolo - 416/408 that's closer to 800 than 900.

Gohan, Gotenks, and Vegeta after being beaten by Byrrus are all still conscious opposed Goku who was lying in crater taking a nice little nap. Again Gohan and Vegeta took 2 different approaches. Gohan only tried to stop Byrrus and subdue him. Vegeta led Byrrus away from the party and lasted as long as he did because of his fighting skills. Byrrus only went looking for Goku because he knew he was the one who beat Frieza and assumed he was a SSJ God. No luck with Goku, go to Vegeta whom he's familiar with and had no luck with him. He didn't even bother talking to anyone else because they weren't purebreds like Goku and Vegeta. Now that both Goku and Vegeta have obtained SSJ God of course they're above Gohan beforehand not so much.

It isn't ridiculous. Goku said someone stronger than him would fight Majin Buu obviously referring to Gotenks. Gohan felt SSJ3 Goku's ki from Kaioshin's planet and Goku felt SSJ Gotenks' ki from Kaioshin's planet so they must be in the same league. Piccolo commended SSJ Gotenks on his ki and had no issues with letting him fight Majin Buu. He just wanted to see his speed and didn't want to him act rashly.

Piccolo is amazed at Base Gotenks' ki after training in the ROSAT and says that he may have a chance and didn't even know he could transform into a SSJ after fusing. So take Piccolo's amazement at Base Gotenks' power and his boost in power from SSJ and 2 other forms and you have someone multifolds above SSJ3 Goku. So Super Buu and Gohan would be the same, multifolds above SSJ3 Goku.

Gohan wasn't outmatched against Dabura. Gohan took a blast head on from Dabura and got up unscathed, no scratches or marks or anything only his clothes partially torn. He physically overpowered Dabura and snapped his sword in two. Gohan made Dabura struggle so much that he tried to turn him into stone and outright tried to kill him making Dabura forget his orders aren't to do any of those things.

A 30% difference would be like SSJ Vegeta vs. Android 18. She took everything Vegeta had and wasn't phased by it but in 17 words she wouldn't have been able to take Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo at the same time.

If Piccolo isn't certain how much stronger than Cell Games Gohan Majin Vegeta is and Goku being his equal than they didn't improve much over the 7 years inbetween the Cell Games and the Buu saga. So I fail to see how Goku and Vegeta can vastly improve with less time than that when they both said they reached their limit while fighting.

If Super Buu was 10% weaker than Gohan than he could've potentially beaten him. 10% isn't a big difference on top of that Buu's haxed regeneration would give Gohan a ton of trouble and that was Gotenks' problem with him in their fight.

 

[Epicnessbeyond]

Well I agree with guy on his statement but not his evidence isn't too good. Super implies that SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Goku>Ultimate Gohan>Frieza=Buu Saga SSJ Goku

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Well I agree with guy on his statement but not his evidence isn't too good. Super implies that SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Goku>Ultimate Gohan>Frieza=Buu Saga SSJ Goku

Which statement? He's trying to prove

- a 10% difference in power is stomping material
- a 30% difference in power is one shot material
- SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > SSJ2 Gotenks
- BoG Goku & Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan Buu Saga

When I don't think any of that is plausible.

 

[Pyro]

I didn't think I'd come across something so blatantly idiotic these days apart from YT, but this kid on Neo is really making me more and more disdainful of power debates in this community.

He's claiming the heart virus made Goku a pathetic weakling, and that the androids were on par with 3rd Form Freeza prior to absorptions and their durability is what kept them in the game. On top of that, they only reach 50% Final Form Freeza's level after absorptions.

To sprinkle even more blaspheming diarrhea on top of the already overflowing toilet, another guy (who's generally not bad) believes they're not even 1st Form Freeza level before absorptions. I'm not even going to give that one a response in the thread because it's just so bad it deserves to be ignored.

I thought that kind of minimalist thinking died in 2010, but apparently it's still got a few stragglers.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

I didn't think I'd come across something so blatantly idiotic these days apart from YT, but this kid on Neo is really making me more and more disdainful of power debates in this community.

He's claiming the heart virus made Goku a pathetic weakling, and that the androids were on par with 3rd Form Freeza prior to absorptions and their durability is what kept them in the game. On top of that, they only reach 50% Final Form Freeza's level after absorptions.

To sprinkle even more blaspheming diarrhea on top of the already overflowing toilet, another guy (who's generally not bad) believes they're not even 1st Form Freeza level before absorptions. I'm not even going to give that one a response in the thread because it's just so bad it deserves to be ignored.

I thought that kind of minimalist thinking died in 2010, but apparently it's still got a few stragglers.

Really? Who the hell said that and when? That's just absurd. Believing them to be around 60% Frieza before absorptions that's fine but 3rd Form Frieza level without it? and 60% Frieza with it?

 

[Six Trails]

To sprinkle even more blaspheming diarrhea on top of the already overflowing toilet, another guy (who's generally not bad) believes they're not even 1st Form Freeza level before absorptions. I'm not even going to give that one a response in the thread because it's just so bad it deserves to be ignored.

Yeah, this one made me scratch my head a bit. I'm fine if someone sees them below 100% Freeza, but I've never seen anyone nerf them that low. I can't stand the <small>"Cell didn't kill Krillin in one kick so #19 lasting against SS Goku means nothing"</small> excuse he came up with either. I don't bother debating because I hate debating with people who feel the need to write 3 whole paragraphs explaining one thing. Way too lazy for that.

 

[Yoshi]

Dear god, that's some insane nerfing.

 

[Disasters GoOn]

In his defense (if he has one), Dragon Ball Z has been kind of nerfing the characters recently. I mean, man, Beerus hinting that SSj Goku isn't anything special, even compared to Frieza (especially in the manga)? Boy, that was a doozy!

 

[Pyro]

In his defense (if he has one), Dragon Ball Z has been kind of nerfing the characters recently. I mean, man, Beerus hinting that SSj Goku isn't anything special, even compared to Frieza (especially in the manga)? Boy, that was a doozy!

Oh, with Super's dastardly nerfing going on, I could see that kind of reasoning (the 50% Freeza, not 1st Form) working to some extent, but dear god, not without.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

In his defense (if he has one), Dragon Ball Z has been kind of nerfing the characters recently. I mean, man, Beerus hinting that SSj Goku isn't anything special, even compared to Frieza (especially in the manga)? Boy, that was a doozy!

Wasn't that proven to be a wrong translation by some fan?

 

[Pyro]

Well, Freeza was all Goku could beat. There's not much else specified there.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Nerfing is just someone's way of not keeping track of power levels.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

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Piccolo (arrival on Namek) <<< Nail
Piccolo (full power) < Base Vegeta (this is the Piccolo that defeated Dr. Gero)
Perfect Cell is 1st form Cell + Android #18 + Android #17 (Yes, this guy believes that the power he used against Grade 2 Vegeta was his full power)
Trunks < Ginyu
SSJ Trunks is 1/6th of Base Gohan
Base Gohan is 1/4th of Freeza



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEcQM7oFLk

That video is great, too. The amount of butthurt and spite coming out that guy's mouth is off the charts. Anyone who wants to make an informational video would do well to take notes.

 

[Zippy]

I didn't think I'd come across something so blatantly idiotic these days apart from YT, but this kid on Neo is really making me more and more disdainful of power debates in this community.

He's claiming the heart virus made Goku a pathetic weakling, and that the androids were on par with 3rd Form Freeza prior to absorptions and their durability is what kept them in the game. On top of that, they only reach 50% Final Form Freeza's level after absorptions.

To sprinkle even more blaspheming diarrhea on top of the already overflowing toilet, another guy (who's generally not bad) believes they're not even 1st Form Freeza level before absorptions. I'm not even going to give that one a response in the thread because it's just so bad it deserves to be ignored.

I thought that kind of minimalist thinking died in 2010, but apparently it's still got a few stragglers.

Lmao, you are talking about that manga reader guy.
He is trying to tell me Goku was 90% of Fp cell

 

[FutureProtagonist]

I didn't think I'd come across something so blatantly idiotic these days apart from YT, but this kid on Neo is really making me more and more disdainful of power debates in this community.

He's claiming the heart virus made Goku a pathetic weakling, and that the androids were on par with 3rd Form Freeza prior to absorptions and their durability is what kept them in the game. On top of that, they only reach 50% Final Form Freeza's level after absorptions.

To sprinkle even more blaspheming diarrhea on top of the already overflowing toilet, another guy (who's generally not bad) believes they're not even 1st Form Freeza level before absorptions. I'm not even going to give that one a response in the thread because it's just so bad it deserves to be ignored.

I thought that kind of minimalist thinking died in 2010, but apparently it's still got a few stragglers.

Lmao, you are talking about that manga reader guy.
He is trying to tell me Goku was 90% of Fp cell

Maybe he's the same guy from that video I posted, or at least someone who got his information from a similar source.

 

[Kyo]

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Piccolo (arrival on Namek) <<< Nail
Piccolo (full power) < Base Vegeta (this is the Piccolo that defeated Dr. Gero)
Perfect Cell is 1st form Cell + Android #18 + Android #17 (Yes, this guy believes that the power he used against Grade 2 Vegeta was his full power)
Trunks < Ginyu
SSJ Trunks is 1/6th of Base Gohan
Base Gohan is 1/4th of Freeza



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEcQM7oFLk

That video is great, too. The amount of butthurt and spite coming out that guy's mouth is off the charts. Anyone who wants to make an informational video would do well to take notes.

Skipping around in this guy's vid

- MSSJ Goku is 1.6 mil to USSJ Vegeta's 1.5 mil. 50% Goku, anyone?
- Perfect Cell is 1.75 mil in comparison.
- Yardrat Goku = Trunks.
- Not seeing 19/20's powers anywhere.
- He thinks USSJ and USSJ2 are the same thing, it looks like.
- The kids are pathetic.
- SSJ Gohan only went from 1.65 mil to 1.55 mil over the three years.
- Dabra is like 1.77x weaker than SSJ Gohan.
- The Zeta Sword has a power level. The Zeta Sword has a power level of 90.
- I'm almost surprised he didn't make Fat Boo twice as weak as Goku or more, though it's still a bit much in my opinion.
- Base Gohan after training with the sword is still weaker than Base Goku.
- At least he's got SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.
- "Vegerot."

 

[FutureProtagonist]

I actually engaged him on a few of these, so I'll give you his answers.

- MSSJ Goku is 1.6 mil to USSJ Vegeta's 1.5 mil. 50% Goku, anyone?

After Goku came out of the RoSaT, Grade 2 automatically became meaningless, so Vegeta considers his full power to be his regular Super Saiyan form.

- Perfect Cell is 1.75 mil in comparison.

Perfect Cell never powered up after defeating Grade 2 Vegeta.

- The kids are pathetic.

They couldn't handle 150G, so they're around 90,000. Sparing ahnd (sic) fighting are two completely different things.

- Dabra is like 1.77x weaker than SSJ Gohan.

I think you misread that one, he has Dabra = Cell.

- SSJ Gohan only went from 1.65 mil to 1.55 mil over the three years.

Not actually that bad when you consider his other gaps, obviously he did better against Dabra than Goku did against Cell, but whatever.

 

[Kyo]

I think you misread that one, he has Dabra = Cell.

Yeah my brain derped and I took SSJ2 Gohan's PL as SSJ Gohan's even though I'd just commented on SSJ Gohan's power being 1.55 mil right before

@50% Goku, even then they'd both be 800 mil so it's still a goof.

 

[Zippy]

Someone is telling me pan from eoz is at 5 to 10k =l