What's the power difference between Pui and Vegeta?

[ahill1]

Why is he impressed then when Gohan's former power didn't impress him that much? Don't you agree that Kaioshin is in a different mental state at the ship?

 

[Goku9001]

Kaioshin makes it clear that he forgot about Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and finally understood why the Saiyans were confident against Babidi's henchmen once he recalled Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's power. It seems to me that Toriyama was retroactively making Super Saiyan 2 Gohan appear stupendous or as Kaioshin calls it "tremendous" compared to his own power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Kaioshin was surprised by SSJ2 Gohan’s power too. He says it’s way beyond what he expected.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Is it just me or Kaioshin doesn’t look affected by 10G at all?

 

[Classic Adamas]

@OP

How can we know? All we know is Vegeta whooped Pui Pui's ass, how much stronger he was is anyone's guess. Could go from 2x to 1000x I guess.

You can say this to almost any topic anyone can make relating to Dragon Ball. I made the thread for the speculation.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Is it just me or Kaioshin doesn’t look affected by 10G at all?

Kaioshin was too high on opioids to care.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I gotta look at Kaioshins face during Vegeta vs Pui Pui. I bet he’s in shock and awe.

I know he is for Yakon.

I wonder how the anime portrays him in this instance.

We know Base Vegeta G checks Kaioshin and Goku has to save him and Base Gohan fights for Kaioshin when they go to fight Dabura for the second time.

Man, this topic is so clear.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Base Vegeta tries to kill Shin in the anime too. When do Goku and Gohan save Shin?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Base Vegeta tries to kill Shin in the anime too. When do Goku and Gohan save Shin?

Goku saves Shin from Vegeta. Base Vegeta was about to completely abuse Shin who was completely helpless to stop Vegeta.

Gohan fights all of Badibis men while protecting Shin like a pretty little princess.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku saves Shin from Vegeta. Base Vegeta was about to completely abuse Shin who was completely helpless to stop Vegeta.

Gohan fights all of Badibis men while protecting Shin like a pretty little princess.

Ah you mean in the anime. Thought you were talking about manga stuff.

Yeah he’s a damsel in distress here. Don’t forget the anime also has Piccolo walk through Babidi’s magic though.

 

[ahill1]

You can say this to almost any topic anyone can make relating to Dragon Ball. I made the thread for the speculation.

Yeah. But estimating Pui Pui's strength is only possible if you go the route of him being > Kaioshin, then in consequence >>> Piccolo, then >>>>> android 17 at a bare minimum. Going this route, he'd be Semi Cell's level, maybe.

I go another route, I think he's weak and just scared Shin cause Babidi had the rep of gathering strong fighters. Base Vegeta, who to me is approaching 16's level, completely dismantles him, so beaides being <<<< Vegeta, I think it's hard to scale him.

Like I've said, he made a big deal out of 10x gravity. Ofc this doesn't mean he is as weak as Saiyans saga level... but it shows he expected someone totally not used to suffer the drawbecks from being exposed to it. We know that whoever isn't used to gravity enhancer places struggles despite having a way higher power level (example, androids saga Gohan feeling his body heavy in the RoSaT, Trunks barely walking at 150G while his base power was approaching 18's level)... but we also know there's a limit for their level of unusability, as Trunks going SSJ completely nullified that. We know that Raditz walked in 10x normally... we know that post spaceship Goku with a 90,000 power level mastered 100x gravity... Trunks struggled. How much stronger is base Trunks than 90k Goku? By my numbers, it's a 4,800x difference... since Trunks tried a 150x instead of 100x, let's say a 4,000x stronger warrior will struggle in the same type of environment enhanced gravity a 4,000x weaker warrior did master. But when Trunks became a SSJ, to me, he became 48,000x stronger than that Goku (I use a 10x SSJ multiplier)... so let's settle 40,000x as the bare minimum to nullify the lack of experience in such an environment.

What's the minimum needed to walk normally under 10x? We don't know. Raditz was what, 1,250? Let's say you need to be 1,000 at least to master that, considerably below Raditz. Pui Pui knew Vegeta was >>> him but still thought the gravity would affect him, which means it'd affect Pui Pui too weren't him used to that. So let's say Pui Pui exppected Vegeta to be in the 4,000 ~ 40,000x range needed to struggle and overcome a 10x gravity. 4,000 x 1,000 = 4,000,000 (were Vegeta that level, he'd still struggle in 10x despite not being used to it... interestingly enough, that's more or less where I have androids saga Gohan and he felt his body heavy). Were Vegeta 40,000 x 1,000 = 40,000,000 he'd overcome the lack of use to that. So Pui Pui assumes someone who is >>> him to be in-between 4,000,000 and 40,000,000 (using heavy, heavy assumptions here I know). He expects Vegeta <<<< 40,000,000. Let's settle for 15,000,000 as Pui Pui's expectations for Vegeta. As Pui Pui was having his ass kicked, let's say he was 10,000,000.

So Pui Pui : 10,000,000

 

[FeatsofPower]

I go another route, I think he's weak and just scared Shin cause Babidi had the rep of gathering strong fighters.

Which is never contradicted. Remember, Badibi doesn't really have another fighter that is way beyond Pui Pui besides Yakon and Dabura.

So how can Badibi gather the strongest fighters, when most of Badibi's fighters are incapable of threatening Kaioshin?

Why was Kaioshin so worried then?

 

[ahill1]

So let's say a warrior who has never experienced gravity enhancements before needs 8,000 to completely master that, as was the case with Goku, tho he did catch Bubbles before he had a 8,000 BP, maybe? Possibly. Or maybe he achieved 8,000 and the rest was focused on the Kaioken and the GD... possible too. Dunno.

In the anime Piccolo who was, what, 3,000 could catch Bubbles like nothing despite never attempting gravity, but fuck the anime.



That'd change the multiplier factor from 1,000 to 8,000, cuz we are treating of warriors who weren't born under 10x.



So 8,000 x 4,000 = 32,000,000 (still struggles in a 10x place)



8,000 x 40,000 = 320,000,000 (can whohooo walk freely)



So Pui Pui expects, let's say, Vegeta to be 50,000,000 and he knew Vegeta was whooping his ass. So Pui Pui = 30,000,000 more or less.



Pui Pui : 30,000,000



Look, I've already upped Pui Pui considerably stronger.





Let's see that with Trunks. Trunks is 430,000,000 (= 18 in my book)...



430,000,000/90,000 = 4,800x. So he was 4,800x stronger than 90k Goku who mastered the 100x. If we play exactly linearly, Goku would need 135,000 to master 150G.



So 430,000,000/135,000 ~ 3,200x instead of the 4,000x I had put before





So 8,000 x 3,200 = 25,600,000 (still struggle in 10x)



256,600,000 (doesn't struggle)



So a 40,000,000 would still be closer to the level of having problems in 10G... which could be Pui Pui's estimations for Vegeta. Then Pui Pui can still be 30,000,000



Pui Pui : 30,000,000

 

[FeatsofPower]

Base Kid Trunks can't handle 150x gravity while his father pre-Super Saiyan could. So Base Kid Trunks must only be like 500,000 or 1,000,000 power level then.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@ahill1 BoZ Goku could run in 10G after taking off his weights.

 

[FeatsofPower]

@ahill1 BoZ Goku could run in 10G after taking off his weights.

And Yamcha with a power level surpassing Raditz couldn't catch Bubbles.

 

[ahill1]

@ahill1 BoZ Goku could run in 10G after taking off his weights.

That's right, well remembered. But still not to a level of mastering it, of it not influencing him. We'd need to gauge when the 10x and 0 for him, was the same.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Base Future Trunks could feel it

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Pre Rosat Trunks right?

This is tricky man. I’ve seen people suggest Vegeta never fully mastered the 300G because he still uses 150G as a SSJ in the Boo Saga. If that’s the case, then 10G isn’t as ridiculous as we think.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Pre Rosat Trunks right?

Yeah.

Vegeta never fully mastered the 300G because he still uses 150G as a SSJ in the Boo Saga. If that’s the case, then 10G isn’t as ridiculous as we think.

Goku still trains in 10g