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I think they win easily, maybe even individually. The fact that they have masted UI, seems to put them in a different league altogether, even-though you can argue a 3x difference is a different league.

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Gohan needs SSJ2 to win.

Vegeta SSJBR (Power Up) vs Kefla LSSJ2?
 

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Kefla stomps, she was equal if not higher than 2nd usage UI Galu in power.

MUI Galu vs. KKx2 Platinum Freeza :donovan

- assume Platinum Freeza is as big of a boost as Vegeta's rage boosted USSJB form
 

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Idea of Gaslight said:
Kefla stomps, she was equal if not higher than 2nd usage UI Galu in power.

MUI Galu vs. KKx2 Platinum Freeza :donovan

- assume Platinum Freeza is as big of a boost as Vegeta's rage boosted USSJB form

Freeza still gets stomped imo.

4th form Freeza VS Base Kefla
 

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Freeza gets raped, I think Galu calling Freeza's kick weak wasn't entirely just him trading remarks with an archenemy but also because 4th Form Freeza isn't anywhere near his god forms.

100% Freeza (ToP) vs. FPSSJ2 Future Trunks
 

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Base Kefla would win without batting an eye. Final Form Frieza is more or less comparable to Base Goku. Base Kefla on the other hand, was flat-out toying with Ritual Form Goku. Although Goku was presumably tired during the scuffle, I doubt it was to the point he suffered anything greater than a 30% dip in overall power.
 

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Idea of Gaslight said:
Freeza gets raped, I think Galu calling Freeza's kick weak wasn't entirely just him trading remarks with an archenemy but also because 4th Form Freeza isn't anywhere near his god forms.

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Base Kefla would win without batting an eye. Final Form Frieza is more or less comparable to Base Goku. Base Kefla on the other hand, was flat-out toying with Ritual Form Goku. Although Goku was presumably tired during the scuffle, I doubt it was to the point he suffered anything greater than a 30% dip in overall power.

Didn't Freeza fare better against Dyspo than SSJG Goku did ?

100% Freeza (ToP) vs. FPSSJ2 Future Trunks

Based on his performance against Dyspo, Freeza stomps.

SSJ3 Goku VS Mastered Berserker Kale
 

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I chalk it up to Dyspo relying on the hardness of the wall instead of his own strength, because Dyspo managing to make Hit struggle despite him matching SSJB Galu blow for blow in the filler arc pre-ToP, yet simultaneously being physically weaker than base Freeza is bullshit that's almost on par with Krillin matching SSJB :galu

SSJ3 Goku wins if it's post-UI Goku who managed to outmaneuver SSJ2 Caulifla and fought Kale and Caulifla 2 on 1 for a bit even in just SSJ2. Pre-UI Galu gets shitstomped imo, I don't think Vegeta would fear Berserker Kale if she weren't at least greatly above his non-godly forms.

old man Krillin vs. Super Krillin in powerscaling breaking contest
 

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I chalk it up to Dyspo relying on the hardness of the wall instead of his own strength, because Dyspo managing to make Hit struggle despite him matching SSJB Galu blow for blow in the filler arc pre-ToP, yet simultaneously being physically weaker than base Freeza is bullshit that's almost on par with Krillin matching SSJB :galu

I was actually referring to Freeza displaying the ability to keep up with Dyspo's speed better than SSJG Goku.

SSJ3 Goku wins if it's post-UI Goku who managed to outmaneuver SSJ2 Caulifla and fought Kale and Caulifla 2 on 1 for a bit even in just SSJ2. Pre-UI Galu gets shitstomped imo, I don't think Vegeta would fear Berserker Kale if she weren't at least greatly above his non-godly forms.

old man Krillin vs. Super Krillin in powerscaling breaking contest

Super Krillin wins. At least Goku didn't transform to fight Krillin in GT.

Vegeta VS Freeza, in badass decay contest
 

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Base Goku EoGT is maximum though. Dont you know attacks aren't even supposed to work on him? Krillin >> Omega :donovan

Probably just inconsistency in reaction speed tbh. Either that, or 99% of Freeza's strength is in his tail and that was the reason for his loss on Namek :cena :cena

I'd say Freeza wins, because unlike Vegeta he's arrogant to psychotic levels instead of pridefully so and it was on full display in his fights against Toppo and Jiren. Also, you know, Vegeta wasn't that badass on Earth to begin with with how he immediately resorted to the oozaru form when Galu upped his Kaioken.

Kienzan Hexa Blade vs. ToP Gohan in surprisingly tactical contest
 

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Goku's scuffle with Dyspo was really brief; it's kind of difficult to compare a fight that short with battle that has a fair amount of combat. That said, I don't think Frieza fared better than Goku; all he managed to do was flaunt his durability and somewhat keep up with Dyspo's speed.

From an in-universe standpoint, Dyspo is likely far stronger than both Ritual Form Goku and Final Form Frieza; but overall, the difference in Goku and Frieza's performance wasn't substantial enough to draw a conclusion.
 

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Goku's scuffle with Dyspo was really brief; it's kind of difficult to compare a fight that short with battle that has a fair amount of combat. That said, I don't think Frieza fared better than Goku; all he managed to do was flaunt his durability and somewhat keep up with Dyspo's speed.

Freeza could catch Dyspo, twice, though. In fact, Dyspo had to increase his speed to overwhelm Freeza. Beerus was shocked he could get faster, and Shin didn't expect Freeza to get dominated by Dyspo.

If Freeza isn't above SSJG Goku, his performance against Dyspo would still put him in that tier, since even a high level fighter like Hit had trouble at first. Of course, that's assuming it wasn't just one of Toei's goof-up, which wouldn't be surprising.

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Kienzan Hexa Blade vs. ToP Gohan in surprisingly tactical contest

Hexa Blade. One of the rare times Super has managed to impress me. Jiren came the closest to lose at this moment so far.

Cell VS Hit
- Both start out at equal BP, but can get stronger through either Zenkai or Improvement.
 

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Regarding Dyspo vs Frieza / Goku, it was probably Goku's instant transmission that left him open to Dyspo's attack. Seeing as how time-skip was failing initially, I don't find it that farfetched for Dyspo to move fast enough to catch Goku during that brief second or so before he teleports. Jimeze for instance, was rendered helpless against Frieza, despite spamming instant transmission; so it's quite possible that his speed in conjunction with a moderately keen battle sense may have been enough to secure a brief advantage.

There's also the possibility that Frieza had been studying Dyspo's movements. He did after all remind Dyspo that his movements are too linear as Goku had indicated. Going back to the Jimeze thing, Frieza also likely has the speed to back things up if instant transmission was of no effect.

So between Frieza seeing through Dyspo's style / movements, knowing how and when to keep up, and likely possessing a commendable amount of speed himself, I could see how he did as well as he did. Skill seemed to be a pretty solid variable in a number of different instances, so this could just be another example of that.

Not trying to downplay Frieza by the way; I just don't see how he went from Base Goku-tier to a level that outshines the Saiyan's ritual form, when his golden form only rivaled SSB.

So in short, Goku probably didn't do as well because during what little time he had against Dyspo, he utilized ineffective techniques. Frieza on the other hand, likely already had a sense of Dyspo's movements and was relying on pure battle sense (much akin to his encounter with Jimeze) while countering Dyspo's speed with his own versus resorting to techniques that may leave him open.
 

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SSJ3 Cell (4x SPC) vs. Fat Boo
Cell likely loses if Super Saiyan 3 drain is in effect.

Tien (Movie 9) vs Android #19 (Post-absorptions)
 

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I have Tenshinhan (M9) on Future Trunks Base (M9) and the latter I have more powerful than its CG counterpart, therefore Tenshinhan (M9) wins.

Goku SSJ4 (FP) vs Goku SSJ4 Kaioken x10 (Initial)

For a long time it took Golden Monkey Baby Vegeta to fall, because Vegeta received the damage instead of Baby, Goku SSJ4 after receiving the energies of the Saiyajins, he was able to knock down Golden Monkey Baby Vegeta much faster than Previous time with a simple Kamehameha.

Will Goku SSJ4 (FP) be more than 10x stronger than Goku SSJ4 (Initial)?
 

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Goku KKx10 stomps. I doubt Goku was initially at 10% of his power.

Alien X VS DBVerse (Zeno banned)
- If needed, speed will be equalized.
 

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One of the Hakaishins will stomp due to Hakai if speed is equalized imo

ToP Freeza vs. Namek Vegeta in futile scheming contest
 

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Idea of Gaslight said:
One of the Hakaishins will stomp due to Hakai if speed is equalized imo

ToP Freeza vs. Namek Vegeta in futile scheming contest

Freeza's scheme was doomed to fail from the start. I doubt Great Priest would betray Zeno by translating his wish. At least Vegeta came extremely close to become the first canon immortal in the series.

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I'd say Freeza wins as well, except that Vegeta's plan also sucks because it essentially hinged on him getting haxed enough zenkais over the period of 5 days to turn into a SSJ even though that only started post-Reacoom for plot reasons, and he wouldn't succeed for years anyways.

Freeza army vs. Nazis vs. ISIS vs. African HIV spreaders in atrocity contest
 

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