Yamoshi being the SSJ makes no sense

[Fantastische Hure]

I know not to take modern DragonBall serious but in the original manga it was said that the SSJ was someone who liked blood and battle and destructive. Yet this gai is a good Saiyan. Makes no sense. :mikey :mikey :mikey

 

[SSJ2]

Who tf is Yamoshi?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Some weird Saiyan AT made-up on the spot. Apparently he was gentle and fighting evil Saiyans but was overwhelmed.

That doesn't fit what was said in the manga at-all.

 

[SSJ2]

Ooh was he the supposed first SSJ?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, maybe the first but an SSJ before Goku & co.

 

[ahill1]

Wasn't Goku a good Saiyajin as well? Kuririn didn't even understand why Vegeta turned into a SSJ, as he stated they must be calm and have a pure heart... Which evidently wasn't true, but shows that the SSJ can be achieved by warriors of pure heart.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

AT said S-Cells can be gained by having a gentle heart which Vegeta clearly didn't when he was hell-bent on becoming an SSJ. He was agitated af and also evil. Definitely not good, at-least. So that's contradicted by the manga itself.

Goku came after we heard of the legend. In the legend it was said that SSJs are the strongest in the universe and love battle in blood. How can Yamoshi even be the strongest if he lost to a bunch of regular SSJs and how would that become news-worthy enough to become a legend?

 

[Future Warrior]

Don't forget that Kaio said Goku was acting differently after becoming a Super Saiyan. It seems like the violent savagery is a trait of the form and not from the individual itself.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True, but even then Yamoshi fought for good apparently.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm sure he had very good intentions for the massacre of those Evil Saiyans

 

[Void]

True, but even then Yamoshi fought for good apparently.

Goku fought for good too, but his initial Super Saiyan self was fully intent on ending Freeza's life.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He didn't love it though. He was enraged. He wouldn't go on a spree like the legend sort-of indicates, IIRC.

And yeah Yamoshi did slaughter them but even amongst Saiyans who were evil for the most part it was made to seem as if this SSJ was a whole new level of love destruction/blood lust.

 

[Void]

He didn't love it though. He was enraged. He wouldn't go on a spree like the legend sort-of indicates, IIRC.

And yeah Yamoshi did slaughter them but even amongst Saiyans who were evil for the most part it was made to seem as if this SSJ was a whole new level of love destruction/blood lust.

I guess you could say his disgust for the evil Saiyans combined with the bloodlust of the Super Saiyan turned it into a slaughter of the evil ones until Yamoshi was "consumed by his power" or whatever.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Consumed was an English dub thing, I think. That's still way stretching it and he wouldn't be strongest in any way if he lost by getting ganged-up on by a bunch of normal Saiyans, unless you follow DB-Super Ray-Gun logic.

 

[Void]

Consumed was an English dub thing, I think. That's still way stretching it and he wouldn't be strongest in any way if he lost by getting ganged-up on by a bunch of normal Saiyans, unless you follow DB-Super Ray-Gun logic.

Maybe he just blew himself the fuck up whilst being so enraged and getting swarmed by the pitiful Saiyans. He supposedly didn't have self control.

 

[Future Warrior]

hapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P9.4-5, P10.4-7
Goku: “I’m a Saiyan who came from Earth to defeat you…A legendary warrior whose tranquil heart has been awakened through intense rage…Super Saiyan Son Goku!”
Freeza: “I…I knew it…It seems you really are a Super Saiyan…Fu-fuffuffuh…So your tranquil heart was awakened through intense rage, huh?...I see, so that’s why Vegeta could never become one, no matter how hard he tried…”

It's always been indicated that a tranquil heart was required for activating Super Saiyan. Practically all the SSJ's we've seen so far in canon are far and away from the bloodthirsty savages typical of their species. Vegeta wasn't exactly goody two shoes but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that earth's environment allows for an increase of S-Cells, plus he did say he had a calm heart... albeit pure evil.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Consumed was an English dub thing, I think. That's still way stretching it and he wouldn't be strongest in any way if he lost by getting ganged-up on by a bunch of normal Saiyans, unless you follow DB-Super Ray-Gun logic.

Maybe he just blew himself the fuck up whilst being so enraged and getting swarmed by the pitiful Saiyans. He supposedly didn't have self control.

Another dub thing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

hapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P9.4-5, P10.4-7
Goku: “I’m a Saiyan who came from Earth to defeat you…A legendary warrior whose tranquil heart has been awakened through intense rage…Super Saiyan Son Goku!”
Freeza: “I…I knew it…It seems you really are a Super Saiyan…Fu-fuffuffuh…So your tranquil heart was awakened through intense rage, huh?...I see, so that’s why Vegeta could never become one, no matter how hard he tried…”

It's always been indicated that a tranquil heart was required for activating Super Saiyan. Practically all the SSJ's we've seen so far in canon are far and away from the bloodthirsty savages typical of their species. Vegeta wasn't exactly goody two shoes but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that earth's environment allows for an increase of S-Cells, plus he did say he had a calm heart... albeit pure evil.

Calm heart. Wasn't he trying to hecticly catch-up with Goku? How is that calm? :mikey :mikey :mikey

 

[Void]

Consumed was an English dub thing, I think. That's still way stretching it and he wouldn't be strongest in any way if he lost by getting ganged-up on by a bunch of normal Saiyans, unless you follow DB-Super Ray-Gun logic.

Maybe he just blew himself the fuck up whilst being so enraged and getting swarmed by the pitiful Saiyans. He supposedly didn't have self control.

Another dub thing.

What does the sub say though? The manga is so absolutely vague on the matter that AT's recent but silly explanations don't really contradict anything outright.

 

[ahill1]

Is Yamamoshi the only one who transformed into a SSJ before Goku though? Vegeta said that according to the legend, there was one in each 1,000 years.