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It's much higher because of the presence of the Crane school. Tien was taunting them he was like "you may have made it far last time but you aren't beating us".

Really? I mean Manwolf thought he was a badass after he pulled out a pocket knife.

Antoine has better hype and is definitely alot bigger so I think I will go with him.

What Yajirobe oneshotted Cymbal with his sword once he got serious. He went from pressuring Yaji with his lightning to being blitzed. Yaji was much stronger.

Eighter could be high balled to rivaling Initial Tao based off his large building feat of destroying muscle tower. But yeah everybody at the 22nd scales above that unless you take the Tao hype throughout the arc seriously.

I think Piano is supposed to be a guy

Oh the anime had some weird anti-feats but yeah the manga obviously contradicts. That large boulder pre 21st Goku pushed alone weighs alot more than that bus did.

When did that happen?

Akkuman isn't even winded after using it. And even if that was true as soon as it touches Mr. Evil Incarnate hes exploding.

What limitations does Devilmite Beam have?

Anime Freeza oneshots. Toei feats are insane. The blast Freeza used to destroy Namek while at 50% was shown destroying many stars in the background and then against Trunks he makes a Supernova 10x more powerful than that.

Yeah because Tenshinhan warned him beforehand. Tien also never intended to actually hit Goku with it as he didn't want to kill him, he just blew up the ring so he get Goku to ring out. Plus this is Shin Kikoho, not the normal Kikoho.

The Kienzan is easy to dodge. Everybody knows it's an attack that bypasses conventional durability and are careful to not let it hit them. It makes no sense for Tien to go for a punch against the androids vs his most powerful technique after seeing 18 mop the floor with Vegeta and 17 oneshot...

If Shin Kikoho was that powerful than it doesn't make any sense why Tien didn't use it against the androids

Freeza openly calls himself evil though

Not against Roshi. Holding back against Goku though since Tao needed to be defeated and time was of the essence.

One could make the argument Korin was holding back since he knew Tao was coming back. His training was still relevant to Tien, who was Goku's equal at the 22nd.

Maybe young wins but definitely not old.

But like that argument that was presented can't any bad guy just hire Tao to assassinate the king?

I am all for Castle Guard being stronger than Tao.