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  1. Papasmurf

    Why was Vegeta surprised by Freeza's battle power reaching 1 million?

    Vegeta never mentioned Cold by name even when he sensed a Ki of similar size to initial Mecha Freeza
  2. Papasmurf

    Why was Vegeta surprised by Freeza's battle power reaching 1 million?

    That's what he was believed to be until DBS Broly and I would agree had Toriyama not retconned it himself. (It may not even technically be a retcon since he never wrote the Daizenshuu which stated Cold was the shadow leader of the Freeza Force)
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    Does Veggie know Goku saved him from being a frog?

    Imagine if Vegeta was still a frog by Daima.
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    DB Daima and DB Super may be able to intertwine

    Yeah it's definitely a different timeline. Something caused Kibitoshin to unfuse earlier than in Super and for Goku and Vegeta to not attain SSJ4 and SSJ3 in the Super timeline for whatever reason. I hope Toei eventually explains it as some type of time travel shenanigans that were involved. I...
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    Best and worst manga you’ve read

    Agreed, I agree with MHA being awful too from what little I've seen (and know of the ending). If Mori wasn't going to expand on parts of the story he didn't fully remember he should've just pitched in what he does remember and handed it to a competent novelist, like that guy who wrote the...
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    Why was Vegeta surprised by Freeza's battle power reaching 1 million?

    Maybe Cold didn't make himself known to younger recruits in the Freeza army like Vegeta and Raditz. Cold also likely doesn't walk around at FP all the time.
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    If Gohan hadn't saved Vegeta?

    Gohan unknowingly played a part in continuing the trend of Yamcha getting cucked :king
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    Orange Piccolo vs SSJB Vegetto/Gogeta

    Manga-wise, Vegetto and Gogeta still stomp. Anime-wise, Piccolo can beat FT arc Vegetto but still probably loses to Broly arc gogeta
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    If Gohan hadn't saved Vegeta?

    He was revived with Shenlong. The Namekian DBs only ever revived Piccolo prior to the Boo arc
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    If Gohan hadn't saved Vegeta?

    Shenlong can't revive him because he died once before.
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    If Gohan hadn't saved Vegeta?

    Would anyone besides Trunks and Bulma want to revive him?
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    Gohan (post Recoome zenkai) vs Vegeta (post Zarbon zenkai)

    It was stated they were holding back because the enemy looked like Kakarrot though.
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    Rank All the Story Arcs

    In the manga Vegeta used Trunks' Heat Dome Attack too. Them exchanging techniques isn't exactly an asspull.
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    Rank All the Story Arcs

    Because Super is all hollow fanservice and there are even less fans of them than there of the humans. AT made it clear that Goten and Trunks are still >> Kuririn in the Super Hero arc so their irrelevance isn't due to a lack of power or potential.
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    Rank All the Story Arcs

    Gohan got enraged when Cell Max nearly killed Piccolo. It was just another glorified Gohan rage moment, that AT took advantage of to crank out another new form to sell toys with at Toei/Bandai's behest. I agree that SSJ2 Trunks getting a magic near-Blue level power up after two sparring...
  16. Papasmurf

    Teen Gohan = Kid Gohan Theory

    Gohan seemed shocked that Goku was even using SSJ2 despite seeing him use it's burst form like 2 minutes before he fought Dabura. He's a noob just like :shin
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    Gohan vs Dodoria

    It was an off guard hit and Kuririn yelled for him to flee right after. I don't think Gohan was all that special. 3500 tops.
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    Teen Gohan = Kid Gohan Theory

    I don't think so. Piccolo still regarded Boo "killing" Gohan as an extreme feat after he was revived which indicates he hadn't weakened all the way down to SSJ adults tier or below. I just handwave Goku's ignorance of the possibility of SSJ2 Vegeta as bad writing, or Super Goku's stupidity...
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    Rank All the Story Arcs

    SSJ Ikari does make sense now that Beast Gohan exists in Super in fairness. Everything else is Toei sucking Trunks off so hard it would make Mai blush, though
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    Teen Gohan = Kid Gohan Theory

    We know SSJ2 Budokai Gohan and SSJ2 burst Goku are above adult SSJ level for sure, and yet Goku seems to think just going SSJ2 will give him the ability to finish the fight with Majin Vegeta quickly. The narrative definitely seems to suggest Vegeta having SSJ2 was a surprise, which only makes...
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