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After he tooled SSJG Goku/Vegeta initially, I believe.

I still don't agree about that one "he's almost as strong as us" line meaning 17's literally almost as strong as Goku and Vegeta. Like you said, his feats don't back it up, and the line is ambiguous enough that it can be more broad than specific.

For sure. The first two seasons are basically episodic villains and wacky adventures, but the third and fourth seasons get pretty dark with people being killed left and right toward the end. I've heard the manga is drastically different from the anime but I've never read that one.

Same. I liked the monster-of-the-week format better than a season-long villain. Stuff just got too serious and meh. I wanted to know more about Duel Academy and shit, not whatever was copied from the original Duel Monsters seasons.

I misread it. Nevermind. Regarding Goku and Vegeta, it's stated in chapter 70. Goku: "Do you know of someone stronger than us, Whis?" Whis: "No, not specifically." So Broly ain't it, boss.

The usage of toughest is still most likely referring to strength, though. It's only ever been used to describe durability and strength, so take your pick, snob. Nah, man. That still means ToP Goku > Moro arc Goku, which is turds.

Are you a fucking ass? It's unlikely Goku was talking about mere durability in Moro's case. Fucking knob. Christ. Also, look at the quote again, my son. At Goku's "current strength" he should be able to maintain UI longer. If Goku has gotten stronger, why would UI not? Don't be like that...

As soon as Vegeta achieved CSSJB he was stated to be equal to Goku again, but it's not really clarified if that meant by way of having the form that lets him continuously use Blue's full power or by actually being stronger than before.

The humans weren't anywhere near Base Saiyan strength in the ToP. According to the Moro arc, they're still bottom bitch tier. SSJ Kid Trunks is stronger than Saganbo originally and there's no evidence Kid Trunks has gotten massively stronger since we last saw him tangling with the Cell Juniors.

Broly isn't stronger than Beerus. Goku and Vegeta are individually stronger than Broly was, and they're both weaker than Beerus currently. Moro (with Seven-Three absorbed) was also stated to be stronger than Broly. And there's this: Ch. 63, pg. 43.7 Context: Merus is vanishing from existence...

Oh, yeah, totally missed that. Dawg, this list is bonkers. What the fuck?

How is Broly that much stronger than Moro? Tell me your blaspheming reasons now.

18 and 17 were like Gohan and Piccolo in that battle, except we know for sure Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. We never got a statement or implication that 18 was nowhere near 17's league at this point.

Gohan's 2 months of training made him unrecognizable according to Goku, so he had to have grown a lot stronger than his ToP self. How strong do you think the pseudo Kaio-ken made Goku in the tournament?

Nah, you see, Piccolo became a father to the Son family so it's more fitting he would have picnics with them every weekend instead.

My levels are similar to GSM's except Krillin is maybe 300k for me. Krill: 300,000 Gohan: 1,000,000 Piccolo: 1,485,000 ~ Krill and Gohan's ki: 2,785,000 Using guidebook numbers for the standard, Piccolo would shit on Freeza and even Vegeta, but...I'm built different. 3rd Form Freeza...

Same issue with Chrome. I make a change and try to save it, then it says I need to log in again, then I need to make the change again before I can save it. Can't find any permissions or log-in features that would be causing it...

I'm trying to look around in the ACP but every action I take it logs me out and I have to log in again, which is making doing anything fucking impossible. I'm using Firefox if that matters. I'll try on Chrome but this is mighty annoying.

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Anything over $20 for a custom skin on an online forum is autistic. One of us could probably make one for free.