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  1. Spiral-Force

    Would you find early DB Roshi's gag as funny?

    On a macro level, the main take-away is that getting a kick out of an entertainment piece does not inherently tie to IRL acceptance. On a micro level, different people may draw personal lines as to their tastes, but should be cautious not to get tangled in their own logic (or end up killing the...
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    Would you find early DB Roshi's gag as funny?

    It seems that you have not recognised the overarching point that was made. In addition, your take on violence suggests that you partake in hive-mind thinking. Where both factors (violence and perverted behaviour) correlate is that they are things that are largely looked down on in society...
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    Would you find early DB Roshi's gag as funny?

    The job of entertainment media is to... entertain. For instance, someone could be stoked to see a bloody fight between two warriors in a film, while never thinking to replicate what they saw IRL. Popular adult cartoons don't shy away from perverted stuff, so it seems that aspect of comedy still...
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    Would you find early DB Roshi's gag as funny?

    Short form content/clips are so embedded in today's media, and Family Guy is super clip-able in that sense. The Simpsons narrative is more closely knit and gradual in its presentation. Circling back to the main talk, I think Roshi's character gave DB more to work with as opposed to if he was...
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    Would you find early DB Roshi's gag as funny?

    Roshi fan. Fairly humorous character. Also vastly tame compared to Family Guy's stuff which is still extremely popular in modern times.
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    Arale vs Zeno

    Although gag characters can be shockingly strong, they're still at the mercy of the writer. Even if the character could manipulate the in-universe writer, that's still technically an avatar of them and such a plot could be rearranged on a whim if desired. The Arale & Beerus confrontation...
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    Gohan (original manga wise) -- well handled character or wasted potential?

    It could be said that Gohan's pacifist mindset was used to thicken the clash of ideals that was present between himself and Cell. Contrary to what Gohan had hoped would occur from his speech, Cell took a dump on his belief and tried to break him. This theme wouldn't be as potent with a random...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    Glad that you're satisfied. Debating is something I take seriously each and every time. Thanks to those that liked my posts. Absolutely acknowledged.
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    A Universe full of Androids #17 and #18 (Arc Android) vs Jiren?

    If it's literally just copies of them in the Universe and no one else, Jiren handles. If it's one of the actual DB Universes (e.g. 7), then it'd be a matter of trying to finish them without inconveniencing other people. Also, other strong warriors like Goku would be alarmed and get involved...
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    Gohan (original manga wise) -- well handled character or wasted potential?

    Decent character. Had his moments (His early bouts of rage shook things up in an entertaining way, and Super Saiyan 2 @ Cell Games was cool) Throughout it all, you could tell combat was never his passion, yet still gave us some gems in that domain. In terms of his own pursuits -- i.e...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    With how things went, it makes sense that that narrative wasn't pushed. Wise decision on the writers part. Interesting that you dedicated a paragraph as to how you'd deliberately split hairs. For folks that aren't in-the-know, non-SSJ3 Gotenks doesn't hold a candle to Super Buu, so...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    This attempt to flip the principle doesn't hold up because it devalues the scene entirely for no reason. A demonstration being prompted at all tells us that Piccolo didn't want to cut corners with his evaluation. He knows -- from past, first-hand experience -- that a power-up may not tell the...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    Goku's story of fusion tells us that it's a powerful technique, but it wasn't clear how it would translate for higher level beings who intend to have it surpass an exact level. Still worth a shot to him though. Targeting the degree of clarity over Gotenks' inability enters the territory of...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    When analysing the plot in a way that leaves no stone unturned, it seems unnecessary to propose such a categorisation. For instance, moments later Goku sought to offset Piccolo's doomsday concerns by reminding him that they have the Dragon Balls if it comes to extremes. As soon as Buu became...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    Not surprised by the lack of professionalism from the above user. Saltiness and emotion has no place in a debate environment. Move along.
  16. Spiral-Force

    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    When taking into consideration what transpired next, there's more to the gamble than just those factors. It's also worth noting that while environmental destruction was a concern, the time that Babidi gave them (5 days) was multiple days more than the amount of time Goku envisioned for the kids...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    I'll get into it later within this post, when of relevance, to keep things organised. The purpose was to point out the groundwork that the narrative was operating under, which holds relevance throughout Gotenks' journey. While Gotenks had targets set (i.e. mastering fusion and being the one to...
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    @Kyo I know you said you may take a while back when this was being planned, but could you give a timeframe of when you intend to respond? Would prefer for this not to drag on without a major reason if possible.
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    Gotenks/Goku Power Difference Debate (Spiral-Force vs Kyo)

    A suitable starting point would be to look at early Gotenks and Goku. The narrative lays out the intent of fusion and also tells us what to expect from a Goten and Trunks fusion. What's made clear from the Metamoran method is that the outcome is a being that is way greater than the sum of its...
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