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I can barely remember, but what exactly in the anime contradicts Beerus being passed up here?

We got Broly back. SSGawd Broly.

The ambiguity of how Super Saiyan 4 works doesn't really lend itself to saying the lower forms got stronger, too, though. It doesn't have a static boost. Sure, we can say it got X times stronger when powered up, but that's not a permanent boost.

Did Goku's lower forms get stronger just because he surpassed his limits with Super Saiyan 4? I'm not sure that tracks.

Base Goku (post-Broly) > UI Goku (ToP) confirmed?

You forget that Goku received a giant power boost before he got beat up and fused with Vegeta. He went from having his 10x Kamehameha tanked by Yi Xing Long to being questionably equal to Super Yi Xing Long (though the latter proved much stronger IIRC), giving him at least a 20x boost from the...

I think Belmod is said to be the youngest of the gods, so it may make sense he'd have the least amount of power and be the least experienced in the "godly ways," as it were. It's obvious there wasn't a long-term plan when the god battle royale was drawn up because they were all shown to be...

Even 3rd Form Frost is implied to be stronger than Magetta. Ch. 9, pg. 27.7 Context: Frost and Goku resume their fight after Frost has transformed Champa: “That’s it! Frost is one step ahead.” Vados: “Of course. He’s the strongest warrior in our universe.” Ch. 11, pg. 8.3 Context: Frost was...

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Applying the same logic the "BoS Goku > Gohan/Gotenks" crew uses, it would HAVE to mean Vegeta > Oob.

Champa seemed to be exerting more effort than Beerus. He had a vein bulging in his forehead and gritted teeth while Beerus was smiling. Beerus was dodging Champa's attacks the whole time and was only surprised once (by a kick he still dodged). This was also "a long time ago" so it's possible...

I'm sadly worried for the inclusion of Bardock. Why the fuck would he save the Namekians? God, they just keep stripping away the anti-hero qualities that made him interesting in the first place. "Canon" Bardock is trash.

Yeah, agreed. Kefla getting impregnated.

It's not. That's the point.

Wait, you have a problem with Sign being 10x Jiren but not Jiren himself being many times stronger than everybody else? I don't get it.

Also, I thought Goku actually had the advantage?

If Nappa is only 4K then they should all be able to stomp him.

It corroborates Vegeta's line that the androids weren't as terrible as Trunks made them out to be. It was a combination of the androids not being as strong as Trunks foretold and the Z Fighters powering up past their future selves, presenting worthy opposition.

In that case, Manga Goku wins because he scales closer to Belmod/Jiren whereas Anime Goku had to get over 50x stronger just to push Jiren to full power.

I don't understand the title. Who is the second Goku?