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Why does Vegeta question Gohan’s ability to beat him now?

Cell is giving it his all at the speed he used against Goku. A speed Goku could barely keep up with. Gohan with minimal effort easily dodges everything Cell threw at him with.

Gohan isn’t even giving it his all and is easily avoiding Cell. Gohan should be 1.25x Cell, let alone Goku.

Mr. Popo can literally eat a Kamehameha in the anime, but respects the Oozaru Fist. Goku's Kamehameha probably can't finish King Piccolo, yet Oozaru Fist punches a hole through him despite his blocking. These are major, major feats, man. Just something to think about. I took a long time to...

Exactly. We have like tons of evidence that Goku and Oozaru Fist Goku are worlds apart. I think the issue is the correlation with the BoZ numbers.

He should be though, that's what is indicated. Goku's true power, ie his Oozaru power has been brought out. Goku post sacred water is 10x his previous self, who is already probably way beyond Tien. He might have gotten a zenkai versus Tambourine, and most certainly got once after nearly dying to...

Every time we see the Oozaru montage someone makes note of Goku’s increase in power. It seems simple to me. When we see Oozaru he gets an Oozaru boost. The Oozaru boost wasn’t determined at this time yet, so it is what it is. The feats and statements match up the only reason fans have issue...

Ah I forgot about that can’t believe “Ki doesn’t atrophy” is an argument right now

He couldn’t do it at will against King Piccolo. It’s a massive boost either way, if you went for 5x I’d be ok with it. But it’s way beyond Kamehameha. Oozaru Fist wasn’t worth the risk of Oozaru Goku being an unstoppable monster than no one could hope to contain. Kami made the right move.

All, he’s gotten weaker, he has zero muscle mass.

The feats back up a 10x boost.

Vegeta isn't sensing Base Gohan's ki, he's making his assumptions based off of looks. They also aren't making the assumption that Super Saiyan Gohan at the Budokai is at full power, not until he goes Super Saiyan 2 does Vegeta seem to put it all together. If Gohan is a Super Saiyan against...

He did, he used it against Mr. Popo and was able to use Oozaru Fist of free will. If he kept his tail, people like Piccolo and Raditz wouldn't have been a problem for him.

Yeah, it's more like Roshi vs Goku at the end I'd say. They are both on their last legs. Probably somewhere percentage wise on par with Vegeta towards the end when he's fighting Yajirobe perhaps.

What percentage do you peg them at?

Freeza's army, Shisami, Freeza.

RoF Base/SSJ Gohan are super weak brother. Roshi is tremendously weaker.

Kami > Popo >= Great Ape Fist > Goku Popo is over 10x Goku.

The dialogue implies it's a one to one issue. Gohan is not winning because he's lost power. He's no longer as strong as he was before. Via rage and loss of ki I'd imagine.

What about RoF Gohan?